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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    About one-fourth of the the Army's new officers each year come from West Point. That's more than "a small percent," and many of them have influence beyond their numbers by virtue of the fact that they're "Pointers." And what does "elite" have to do with the contention that three-fourths of cadets are either Republican or identity with the Republican Party? I mean, Harvard's an elite school, but no one's ever accused Harvard or any other school in the Ivy League of having a shortage of liberals. One would think that wherever the government's giving away free **** (like educations) liberals would be trampling over each other to get there. I guess not.
    I'm not sure that your percentages would hold up under closer examination. In 2009, Lt Col Jason K. Dempsey, West Point grad with a PhD from Columbia wrote a book, Our Army: Soldiers, Politics, and American Civil-Military Relations

    One quick means of reviewing a book is known as the 99 Test, - read closely pg 99 and it often will give you a good idea of the writer's intentions
    Page 99 of Our Army is a fortuitous choice for discussion as it presents one of the key findings to come from my analysis: Members of the army are much less likely than civilians to consider themselves a member of either the Republican or Democratic Party. Only 43% of those serving in the army identify themselves with a party, compared to 65% of the broader American population. While this may be surprising to many, it makes sense when one remembers that the bulk of the military is made up of 18 to 24 year-old males—a demographic not prone to political participation. Indeed, the data reveal that there are two distinct populations in the army. There are senior officers, whose attitudes and opinions are the most likely to be studied and discussed, and the rest of the army, who are rarely studied but often assumed to mirror those in the senior ranks. This study reveals that this is not the case, and that the majority of the military looks very much like the population from which members of the military are drawn.
    Col Dempsey's findings do show that most officers consider themselves conservative in their political views but not that they identify themselves as Republicans.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I'm not sure that your percentages would hold up under closer examination. In 2009, Lt Col Jason K. Dempsey, West Point grad with a PhD from Columbia wrote a book, Our Army: Soldiers, Politics, and American Civil-Military Relations
    They're not "my" percentages. They actually came from the study I linked, which, coincidentally, used data researched and principally analyzed by Dempsey:

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Col Dempsey's findings do show that most officers consider themselves conservative in their political views but not that they identify themselves as Republicans.
    That doesn't square with his own study:

    The West Point study offers clues as to what may be causing this overwhelming Republican identification among army officers, but raises more questions in the process. In our study, we (Shapiro and Dempsey) found that 61% of the cadets surveyed identified with the Republican Party and another 14% said they did not affiliate with a party but leaned Republican.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    I have a personal interest in keeping our carriers in that area. My husband is going for a year to Bahrain in about 3 months.

    But besides that, who does anyone think the UN would ask to take care of this situation if Iran did close the strait and we weren't there to take care of it then? I'm betting us. So, then we would have to spend more time getting our ships back out there just because some people don't like our Navy doing our job. We have had this job of maintaining the seaways for quite some time now. Because no one else wants to do it and unfortunately, there are bad people in high positions of power in this world.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I think President Obama is being very foolish in escalating his conflict with Iran. The Iranians have offered to resume negotiations. The President is going to get Americans killed. Check this out:


    US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    "The US navy announced the arrival of the USS Abraham Lincoln in the north Arabian Sea and the USS Enterprise, the world's longest naval vessel, in the Gulf of Aden.A senior official in President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government threatened in January unspecified action if American aircraft carriers returned to the Persian Gulf, saying: "We are not in the habit of warning more than once".

    Although neither ship has entered the Gulf itself, the deployment will be seen as an unmistakable challenge in Tehran ahead of the beginning of negotiations on Saturday, which President Barack Obama has described as Iran's "last chance" to resolve the nuclear impasse through diplomacy.

    In recent weeks Iran has been forced to temper its bellicose rhetoric after American and European Union sanctions against the country's central bank and energy sector began to have serious consequences for its already faltering economy..."


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    Oh goody, more conflict we can't even afford. God dammit.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Oh goody, more conflict we can't even afford. God dammit.
    I hear you. It's like watching a traffic accident happen in slow motion.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    They're not "my" percentages. They actually came from the study I linked, which, coincidentally, used data researched and principally analyzed by Dempsey:

    Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Col Dempsey's findings do show that most officers consider themselves conservative in their political views but not that they identify themselves as Republicans.
    That doesn't square with his own study:
    The book I linked to also used a later survey/study conducted by Col Dempsey which found that 43% of officers were calling themselves Republicans. Things do change you know. I wonder how much Iraq?Afghanistan has changed attitudes in the officer corps over the past 10 years.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I hear you. It's like watching a traffic accident happen in slow motion.
    I just want one decade. One decade of zero international conflict so we can focus on domestic problems. Apparently that's asking too much. Where the hell is the UN on this? We aren't the only nation in the UN with a strong Naval force.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I just want one decade. One decade of zero international conflict so we can focus on domestic problems. Apparently that's asking too much. Where the hell is the UN on this? We aren't the only nation in the UN with a strong Naval force.
    Most of the time we don't get what we want. I don't think America should look for trouble.

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