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    Re: $26 a gallon?! Navy's 'Green Fleet' meets stiff headwinds

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    First of all, anyone thinking this bio-fuel is crippling our food production is flat out wrong. Solazyme, the producer of the bio-fuel for this project, makes it from algae which has NO EFFECT on our food production.


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    Secondly, folks should remember we get a significant percent of foreign oil from the middle-east, an unstable region which is largely hostile to the US. Knowing that our military relies on oil and that much oil come from potential enemies in the middle-east, it should be clear to anyone with half a brain that this situation constitutes a major flaw in our military structure. The only INSANE thinking is running your military on fuel provided by your enemies! That's building castles made of sand, my friends. Yes, Saudi Arabia ( a major US oil supplier ), has avoided the Arab Spring for now, but how long will it last? Should we throw all our eggs in one basket assuming it will never happen? That's lousy strategic thinking. Our military is attempting to plug a major energy security hole with this project. Does our military expect to pay $26 per gallon indefinitely? HELL NO! It expects the large demands to force an explosive increase in algae-fuel production which will drive the price down tremendously. The price we read in the article is not the price, forever. It's a shame my fellow Americans don't understand Capitalism any better than that.

    Thirdly, our Navy does not sit around in port, swinging at anchor like the Russkies. We are steaming abroad on station ready to go to battle-stations on a moment's notice. And that's why our Navy still uses a lot of oil. And most of the time, when our military goes into action, what region dominates this activity? The middle-east of course! Where all the oil is! Yes, our military spends most of it's time ensuring oil production facilities are safe and that the sea lanes bringing the oil home are safe. If anyone is unhappy with all the American sons and daughters fighting in foreign lands, then those same people should praise the vision of the "Green Fleet." I think that's a misnomer, though. Screw the green aspect of it if it seems offensive. Consider it "Energy Security." We should call this fleet the "Energy Security Fleet." Sound better? Because that's what it REALLY is. I don't think Donald Rumsfeld is the type to sit in a field of daisies feeding doves from his hand, do you? If DR was pushing for it there was a serious nuts and bolts, military/economic reason for it, not "being green."
    No wonder our enemies have such contempt for us. Only cowards would say we shouldn't use our enemies' oil when the manly solution would be to take it away from our enemies.
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    Re: $26 a gallon?! Navy's 'Green Fleet' meets stiff headwinds

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    No wonder our enemies have such contempt for us. Only cowards would say we shouldn't use our enemies' oil when the manly solution would be to take it away from our enemies.
    Nice. You would push our American sons and daughters into deadly combat because you can't be bothered to think and innovate? How about YOU lead that charge into enemy machine gun nests?
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    Re: $26 a gallon?! Navy's 'Green Fleet' meets stiff headwinds

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Except it's NOT "green" fuel. It is "world starvation" fuel. Crops and crop land diverted to fuel reduces world food supplies and increases food costs - meaning starvation for the desperately poor of the world.
    The desperately poor eat algae and chicken fat?

    Another question is whether then Navy needs to use 2% of the entire national fuel consumption or, according to the article, 264,000,000 gallons of oil each year. Since we are in NO Naval wars why the massive fuel usage?
    Well, we don't park the ships and tanks and jeeps and planes between wars and have the sailors and soldiers and airmen kick stones at the docks and depots until another war starts. The force has to be mission ready, which means they're always moving, always training, etc.

    What about not stop making soldiers pay for the cleaning of their own uniforms instead? Why does the military have unlimited amounts of money except with it comes to military personnel? Then the military is financially broke.
    Cleaning uniforms doesn't really have anything to do with force readiness. Service members are paid a salary and I think it's reasonable to expect them to care for their own uniforms. You can certainly argue that they might deserve more pay in that light, but surely that's nibbling at the edges, no?

    There is no defending $26 a gallon for bulk fuel. Trace it all the way and it will just be more political graft and payola disguised as a "green" agenda.
    The article states that: The Pentagon paid Solazyme Inc $8.5 million in 2009 for 20,055 gallons of biofuel based on algae oil, or $424 a gallon.

    Seems that in only a few years costs are down to $27 dollars per gallon. That's a lot of progress. At this point biofuels can be used as an admixture to stretch petroleum fuel supplies. If progress this rapid continues, biofuels might be competitive with petroleum in another few years.
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    Re: $26 a gallon?! Navy's 'Green Fleet' meets stiff headwinds

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    No wonder our enemies have such contempt for us. Only cowards would say we shouldn't use our enemies' oil when the manly solution would be to take it away from our enemies.
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    Re: $26 a gallon?! Navy's 'Green Fleet' meets stiff headwinds

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    The desperately poor eat algae and chicken fat?



    Well, we don't park the ships and tanks and jeeps and planes between wars and have the sailors and soldiers and airmen kick stones at the docks and depots until another war starts. The force has to be mission ready, which means they're always moving, always training, etc.



    Cleaning uniforms doesn't really have anything to do with force readiness. Service members are paid a salary and I think it's reasonable to expect them to care for their own uniforms. You can certainly argue that they might deserve more pay in that light, but surely that's nibbling at the edges, no?



    The article states that: The Pentagon paid Solazyme Inc $8.5 million in 2009 for 20,055 gallons of biofuel based on algae oil, or $424 a gallon.

    Seems that in only a few years costs are down to $27 dollars per gallon. That's a lot of progress. At this point biofuels can be used as an admixture to stretch petroleum fuel supplies. If progress this rapid continues, biofuels might be competitive with petroleum in another few years.
    Iirc, biodiesel replaces lubricity lost in low sulphur diesel fuels at like 1-2% mixture. I've read that that should be done for its own sake.

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    Re: $26 a gallon?! Navy's 'Green Fleet' meets stiff headwinds

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Iirc, biodiesel replaces lubricity lost in low sulphur diesel fuels at like 1-2% mixture. I've read that that should be done for its own sake.

    Diesel injector pumps are EXPENSIVE.
    Not only that. You can make diesel fuel from common trash. Seems like a better way to handle trash than just stuffing it in the ground to rot.
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    Re: $26 a gallon?! Navy's 'Green Fleet' meets stiff headwinds

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    We have a right to confiscate the property of our enemies, starting with the jihadists' oil.
    Are you talking about the Saudis??? Who gave us this so called "right"?
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    Re: $26 a gallon?! Navy's 'Green Fleet' meets stiff headwinds

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Not only that. You can make diesel fuel from common trash. Seems like a better way to handle trash than just stuffing it in the ground to rot.
    Before reading the article I got an image in my mind of the Navy having small biofuel processing units aboard their ships and using ship waste to generate their own fuel. Pity that wasn't what the article was about.
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    Re: $26 a gallon?! Navy's 'Green Fleet' meets stiff headwinds

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Before reading the article I got an image in my mind of the Navy having small biofuel processing units aboard their ships and using ship waste to generate their own fuel. Pity that wasn't what the article was about.
    Well, space comes at a premium aboard a warship. On the other hand, anything that would extend the operational range of a ship would be seriously considered. The Navy uses water condensers to get fresh water from sea water (which take up space), but this extends the range between port visits. If fuel from trash could also extend the ship's range, it's hardly beyond the bounds of practicality. The process of making fuel from trash requires lots of heat and pressure. And guess what, there's LOTS of that within any ship's engine room.
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    Re: $26 a gallon?! Navy's 'Green Fleet' meets stiff headwinds

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Not only that. You can make diesel fuel from common trash. Seems like a better way to handle trash than just stuffing it in the ground to rot.
    Now I just need to get to the Pacific Trash Gyre. Melt enough of it together to make an island. Set up a factory turning plastic bottles into fleece clothing.

    Then declare myself a nation.

    Trashlandia!

    Recycletopia!

    Dumb as that sounds, it actually might work.

    And as long as people keep throwing their garbage in the Pacific, the free resources will continue to deliver themselves to my facilities.
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