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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Were the death panels ruled constitutional?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    The law upheld in it's entirety, yet at the end of the day it seems as if conservatives gain more political clout and enthusiasm than the victors in all their glory.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Were the death panels ruled constitutional?
    If this bill isn't repealed then yes

    HC will be rationed. It's economics.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The law upheld in it's entirety, yet at the end of the day it seems as if conservatives gain more political clout and enthusiasm than the victors in all their glory.
    No, it wasn't upheld in it's entirety. Federal medicaid coercion on the states was deemed unconstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, it wasn't upheld in it's entirety. Federal medicaid coercion on the states was deemed unconstitutional.
    You are absolutely correct, my mistake.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    HC is always being rationed in one manner or another. It's economics.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    It now appears that the dissent of the conservative Justices was at one time the majority opinion, and that Roberts changed his vote based on intimidation. He was intimidated by threats to delegitimize the Supreme Court if Obamacare wasn't validated. It may be that Chief Justice put his fears about the institution of the Supreme Court over his duty to interpret the Constitution. If this is true, Chief Justice Roberts breached his duty to the Constitution.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    because this law will help the greater-good of our society, I support it.

    and I even though I have issues with the legal arguments of the SCOTUS, I still support their decision, especially from a moral perspective.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    It now appears that the dissent of the conservative Justices was at one time the majority opinion, and that Roberts changed his vote based on intimidation. He was intimidated by threats to delegitimize the Supreme Court if Obamacare wasn't validated....
    intimidation...from whom?

    got any evidence for this conspiracy?

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