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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183, 386, 590]

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Billy the Kid said:
You must be a Dem political operative if you believe that 4 years of On The Job Training is enough to hold the office of POTUS. President Obama hasn't the cabapilities or skills to handle the job and it shows.
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LOL! And what FOUR years might that be???
 
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treedancer said:
The last president we had with "with decades in the private sector "experience was Herbert Hoover and that didn't work work out all that well.:2wave:
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Since his policies were quite similar to the current President is this a prediction for our immediate future?
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
kind of ironic that most of the people on this board are more concerned about the horse race, than the actual effectiveness of the policy. But this is why this country is going to ****, because of morons like you

but, yeah, I know, it's the other side's fault....
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Well, everything always is. ;)
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Wordsmith all you want. And boy, oh, boy, is the WH and its minions trying to wordsmith this LIE. IT'S A TAX. We are all going to pay this TAX. It can not happen any other way except to TAX THE MIDDLE CLASS. This "1%" crap ain't gonna buy it and anyone with a grain of intelligence can see it.

There is no way "THE 1%" can possibly pay for all the 'EXTRAS' needed to make this Obamacare bill crap a reality.
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I just love it when libertarian/conservatives try to argue against FACTS. :lol: And then they resort to lies and childish name-calling in the process.

If you were trying to disprove my point, you failed miserably. Try again. Disprove that all Americans will be forced to pay the mandate/tax. Oh, and while you're contemplating your response, contemplate that some people would be getting tax CUTS from the ACA, if the Repubs don't kill it.
 
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Phys251 said:
I just love it when libertarian/conservatives try to argue against FACTS. :lol: And then they resort to lies and childish name-calling in the process.

If you were trying to disprove my point, you failed miserably. Try again. Disprove that all Americans will be forced to pay the mandate/tax. Oh, and while you're contemplating your response, contemplate that some people would be getting tax CUTS from the ACA, if the Repubs don't kill it.
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The only fact I know is this is a TAX.

The only fact I know is this eventually will have to have the middle class to pick up the tab. There is no other way for it to work.

As to name calling, I wasn't calling anyone names. I was stating a fact, this Obamacare bill will cost because of the "extras" like doctors, nurses, hospitals and all the other items/people/devices/etc. that will be need to cover another 30 million people. Only someone trying to sell this bill as a "wonderful thing" is buying it and the saps that believe them. So if you fit into one of the catagories, then all I can say is IMO.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
The only fact I know is this is a TAX.

The only fact I know is this eventually will have to have the middle class to pick up the tab. There is no other way for it to work.

As to name calling, I wasn't calling anyone names. I was stating a fact, this Obamacare bill will cost because of the "extras" like doctors, nurses, hospitals and all the other items/people/devices/etc. that will be need to cover another 30 million people. Only someone trying to sell this bill as a "wonderful thing" is buying it and the saps that believe them. So if you fit into one of the catagories, then all I can say is IMO.
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Tax, mandate, penalty, we both know what thing we're talking about. If you deny the FACT that those with insurance will not have to pay it, then we're pretty much done here.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
The only fact I know is this is a TAX.

The only fact I know is this eventually will have to have the middle class to pick up the tab. There is no other way for it to work.

As to name calling, I wasn't calling anyone names. I was stating a fact, this Obamacare bill will cost because of the "extras" like doctors, nurses, hospitals and all the other items/people/devices/etc. that will be need to cover another 30 million people. Only someone trying to sell this bill as a "wonderful thing" is buying it and the saps that believe them. So if you fit into one of the catagories, then all I can say is IMO.
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The fact is that the average middle class family will get a $4,000 BENEFIT from the law -- not a tax.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
The only fact I know is this is a TAX.

The only fact I know is this eventually will have to have the middle class to pick up the tab. There is no other way for it to work.

As to name calling, I wasn't calling anyone names. I was stating a fact, this Obamacare bill will cost because of the "extras" like doctors, nurses, hospitals and all the other items/people/devices/etc. that will be need to cover another 30 million people. Only someone trying to sell this bill as a "wonderful thing" is buying it and the saps that believe them. So if you fit into one of the catagories, then all I can say is IMO.
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Are you voting for Romney, who passed a similar plan in the state he was in charge of?
 
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Phys251 said:
Tax, mandate, penalty, we both know what thing we're talking about. If you deny the FACT that those with insurance will not have to pay it, then we're pretty much done here.
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Then we're pretty much done. Because this 'thing' can't possibly work with those that don't have insurance paying for their own HC. This will eventually fall on the backs of the MIDDLE CLASS like every other govt program.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Then we're pretty much done. Because this 'thing' can't possibly work with those that don't have insurance paying for their own HC. This will eventually fall on the backs of the MIDDLE CLASS like every other govt program.
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Why not? If they can afford insurance, why should they not buy it?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Why not? If they can afford insurance, why should they not buy it?
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It's like I said, this will not fly without the taxpapers footing the bill, IMO. When this was labled a TAX by both the Justice Dept lawyers and the SOTUS let it ride because it was justified as a TAX, then it will eventually become a TAX on all taxpayers, not just the ones that want HC.

Too many other things involved, as I said over and over, more doctors, nurses, tech, aids, hospitals, equipment, etc. will send this thing sky high.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
It's like I said, this will not fly without the taxpapers footing the bill, IMO. When this was labled a TAX by both the Justice Dept lawyers and the SOTUS let it ride because it was justified as a TAX, then it will eventually become a TAX on all taxpayers, not just the ones that want HC.

Too many other things involved, as I said over and over, more doctors, nurses, tech, aids, hospitals, equipment, etc. will send this thing sky high.
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Labels aside, explain who is being taxed. A word isn't equal to an action. Right now all that is law is that if you don't have insurance, you pay a penlty. No one else pays any tax. And for everyone to pay a tax, and new, separate tax would have to be established.

Now as for your list, you things that are there right now, that are paid for right now, that we all pay for right now, what exactly do you think is different?
 
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AdamT said:
The fact is that the average middle class family will get a $4,000 BENEFIT from the law -- not a tax.
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Is this an annual benefit?

Where will all this money come from?
 
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Dickieboy said:
Is this an annual benefit?

Where will all this money come from?
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Yes, annual. The money will come from the various taxes and penalties built into the law.
 
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teamosil said:
Fair enough. No offense meant to you personally.

Obama has four years of experience as the president of the United States. No governorship can remotely compare with that.
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So you voted for Bush One over Clinton, and W over Kerry?

obviously experience meant nothing to you in 08 if you supported Obama since he had less experience than Hillary and a few decades less experience than McCain. Obama has proven himself a failure. Idiocy is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results. HOpe and Change sounded good to the low wattage masses but Obama has proven he was not up to the job
 
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TurtleDude said:
So you voted for Bush One over Clinton, and W over Kerry?

obviously experience meant nothing to you in 08 if you supported Obama since he had less experience than Hillary and a few decades less experience than McCain. Obama has proven himself a failure. Idiocy is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results. HOpe and Change sounded good to the low wattage masses but Obama has proven he was not up to the job
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Obviously you voted for Kerry in '04 after Bush proved himself a miserable failure?
 
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AdamT said:
Yes, annual. The money will come from the various taxes and penalties built into the law.
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Taxes in the law? Who bears the burden of these taxes?

Penalties? I was only aware of the mandate penalty which has been repeatedly argued would only affect very few. If such is so the revenue from these penalties would be insignificant as related to the benefit you claimed. Or are there other penalties that I am unaware of?
 
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AdamT said:
Obviously you voted for Kerry in '04 after Bush proved himself a miserable failure?
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That someone like you calls him a miserable failure is proof enough he was fairly successful in doing stuff I wanted.

too much spending yes but Gorebot would have spent more, and jacked up taxes and the pooch would have been really screwed. and we'd have two more quota picks like Gagan or Quotamayor on the supreme court
 
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Dickieboy said:
Taxes in the law? Who bears the burden of these taxes?

Penalties? I was only aware of the mandate penalty which has been repeatedly argued would only affect very few. If such is so the revenue from these penalties would be insignificant as related to the benefit you claimed. Or are there other penalties that I am unaware of?
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I doubt that the Soros center for Obama campaign propaganda is going to provide him that sort of answer
 
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teamosil said:
Obama has four years of experience as the president of the United States. No governorship can remotely compare with that.
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I can't believe you wrote that Tea. So what experience did obama have in running a govt. prior to being elected. Four years in the Senate. (whoopee).

Yet he had not experience prior. Using your logic McCain should of beat Obama hands down just in Senate experience.
Using your logic, then guess the only people who should run for President are past Presidents. They would be the only people who have the "President" work experience.
 
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TurtleDude said:
That someone like you calls him a miserable failure is proof enough he was fairly successful in doing stuff I wanted.

too much spending yes but Gorebot would have spent more, and jacked up taxes and the pooch would have been really screwed. and we'd have two more quota picks like Gagan or Quotamayor on the supreme court
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Remind me when spending was in line with tax collections aka the deficit......

Never mind Al Gore was VP and Bill Clinton was President the last time.

Now then if you want American hegemony a la the PNAC model you get to pay for it because I certainly don't.
 
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winston53660 said:
Remind me when spending was in line with tax collections aka the deficit......

Never mind Al Gore was VP and Bill Clinton was President the last time.

Now then if you want American hegemony a la the PNAC model you get to pay for it because I certainly don't.
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you mean when Newt and the GOP forced him to stop recklessly spend?

Okie dokie
 
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TurtleDude said:
you mean when Newt and the GOP forced him to stop recklessly spend?

Okie dokie
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And taxes were raised.......
 
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Dickieboy said:
Taxes in the law? Who bears the burden of these taxes?

Penalties? I was only aware of the mandate penalty which has been repeatedly argued would only affect very few. If such is so the revenue from these penalties would be insignificant as related to the benefit you claimed. Or are there other penalties that I am unaware of?
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This is all well documented, right? There are taxes on Cadillac plans, which as y'all have pointed out, will disproportionately be enforced against union members, unless they change their plans before it takes effect. There are fees on medical devices. There is the mandate penalty, already discussed ad nauseum. There is a Medicare payroll tax hike that affects those making more than $200,000. There's a hike in capital gains on home sales that affects those who earn more than $500,000 on the sale of a home, etc.

So generally the taxes and fees will affect upper middle class and wealthy folks.
 
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