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Kal'Stang · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
You dodged my question. Again:

In my state of Michigan, one cannot obtain a drivers license without a automobile insurance policy in effect. Do you know of any states where this is NOT the case that you have insurance or proof of financial responsibility?

How the HELL did I "dodge" your question? I thought it was pretty obvious that the state I live in does not require that you have car insurance in order to get a license.

Do I need to type slower for you or something?

mac · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
Driver Responsibility - Frequently Asked Questions

To get a license plate you must also have proof of insurance. You cannot legally drive a car without a license plate.

Ah, now it's license plate...not driver's license. That's about registering a vehicle, dude....not being licensed to drive one.

haymarket · Jun 30, 2012

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mac said:
But not to get a drivers license, as Haymarket argued.

You can have the license as long as you do not use it to drive a vehicle. If you actually want to take the step to drive a vehicle - which is the whole point of the damn thing in the real world I live in - you must supply proof of insurance to get a plate for that vehicle.

Albert Di Salvo · Jun 30, 2012

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teamosil said:
That you would compare a law which will maybe impose a couple hundred dollar fine on the hypothetical group of people who make enough money that they can easily afford insurance, but choose not to buy it for inexplicable reason, to the systematic enslavement, murder, torture and rape of many generations of an entire race shines a pretty bright light on how out of touch the right has gotten. The rhetoric is so out of control that the right is no longer connected to reality at all.

I don't think you've read the Dredd Scott decision counselor.

You and I don't perceive the relationship between citizen and govt. in the same way. That's why you don't think Roberts v. America is a big deal.

haymarket · Jun 30, 2012

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Kal'Stang said:
How the HELL did I "dodge" your question? I thought it was pretty obvious that the state I live in does not require that you have car insurance in order to get a license.

Do I need to type slower for you or something?

Perhaps in some libertarian Wonderland there is a huge difference in getting a drivers license and driving an actual vehicle but in the real world they are parts of the same activity. :roll:

mac · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
You can have the license as long as you do not use it to drive a vehicle. If you actually want to take the step to drive a vehicle - which is the whole point of the damn thing in the real world I live in - you must supply proof of insurance to get a plate for that vehicle.

People can drive for a living and not own a vehicle. They need a license to do that, not insurance.

For example, the military requires you to have a drivers license to operate their vehicles. They do not require that you insure their vehicles.

Albert Di Salvo · Jun 30, 2012

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winston53660 said:
If the hospital builds into the cost on your bill or the government adds a tax what is the differemce

The power of the federal govt. is increased and the nature of the relationship between govt. and governed is forever altered.

haymarket · Jun 30, 2012

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mac said:
People can drive for a living and not own a vehicle. They need a license to do that, not insurance.

For example, the military requires you to have a drivers license to operate their vehicles. They do not require that you insure their vehicles.

We are NOT talking about the military. Never have been.

Sheik Yerbuti · Jun 30, 2012

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DA60 said:
By the government forcing socialistic rules on for-profit, private companies - then the fundamentals of the supply-and-demand rule goes out the window...and overall costs for the consumer go through the roof.

Imo, in 5-10 years...the average amount Americans spend per capita on healthcare will be much higher then it is today.
And the satisfaction of Americans in the quality of their healthcare will either stay the same or decline from where it is today.

And America is already spending MILES more per capita then any other country in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...PP)_per_capita

Obamacare will only make that number climb (imo).

That hasn't happened in Massachusetts with Romneycare, which is pretty much the same thing as Obamacare, so I'm not sure why you think it would happen nationally ...

Cost Containment Massachusetts made the decision in 2006 to focus health reform on expanding insurance coverage not on controlling health costs. As a result, rising costs remain a serious problem. Per capita health spending is 15% higher than the national average and the state has the highest individual market premiums in the country at an average of $437 per person per month. Over the past year however, premium growth in the individual and small group market has slowed markedly, possibly the result of decreased consumer utilization following the recession and increased pressure by state regulators on the industry. Fee-for-service payment methods dominate throughout the state and make it difficult for providers to coordinate care or deliver more cost-effective services.12 Given the size of the health care sector and the concentration of highly specialized medical personnel and academic medical centers in the state, it has been difficult for Massachusetts to control health care costs. Nearly one in five households in the state has earnings from a health-care related job.

http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8311.pdf

Kal'Stang · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
If I was asking directions to Hades it might have some significance.

So I guess that puts you firmly against any good intentions?

Perhaps you should learn the history of the quote before trying to imply something that I never said. Knowledge is power.

mac · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
We are NOT talking about the military. Never have been.

No, you are talking about being licensed to drive. You do not have to have insurance to be licensed to drive.

Dickieboy · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
Perhaps in some libertarian Wonderland ...

Still not missin' those chances are you?

haymarket · Jun 30, 2012

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Kal'Stang said:
Perhaps you should learn the history of the quote before trying to imply something that I never said. Knowledge is power.

So do educate and illuminate us then.

haymarket · Jun 30, 2012

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Dickieboy said:
Still not missin' those chances are you?

When the target presents itself.... shoot.

haymarket · Jun 30, 2012

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mac said:
No, you are talking about being licensed to drive. You do not have to have insurance to be licensed to drive.

that would be licensed to drive WHAT exactly?

Dickieboy · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
When the target presents itself.... shoot.

OH, you are one of those types...still revealing your ideology...thank you for that...:mrgreen:

Kal'Stang · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
Driver Responsibility - Frequently Asked Questions

To get a license plate you must also have proof of insurance. You cannot legally drive a car without a license plate.

Typical Haymarket...when proved to be on the wrong end you quickly (/sarcasm on the "quickly" part) switch gears in order to try and make it look like you were talking about something else entirely.

However guess what? Again you are still wrong. My state still does not require proof of insurance in order to get a license plate or tags for your car. They might ASK you if you have insurance but they do not ask for proof of that insurance. There were several times in the past when I was younger that I took full advantage of that fact.

haymarket · Jun 30, 2012

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Dickieboy said:
OH, you are one of those types...still revealing your ideology...thank you for that...:mrgreen:

What ideology would that be? Please do illuminate and inform me.

Is hating, loathing and despising what libertariansim would do to America and its people an indentified and accepted political ideology? Where do I find a link to that?

Kal'Stang · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
Where you laughing on Thursday morning when the decision went against you and showed you were wrong?

What happened thursday has nothing to do with what you said in that post which I even bolded to let you know what I was laughing at.

Again I ask...want me to type slower for you?

Kal'Stang · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
I have no idea what the hell that means to what is being discussed.

Can you explain it in detail so it makes some semblance of sense?

Are they not the ones that passed that POS legislation? I don't recall a nationwide referendum on it thats for sure.

Kal'Stang · Jun 30, 2012

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Dickieboy said:
I believe Kal's underlying point is that due to the low voter participation the legislative branch does not represent the majority of society thus the minority is making the decisions of the majority. Haven't you argued this before?

I admit that this wasn't my main point but it certainly does fit with it and I agree with it.

haymarket · Jun 30, 2012

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Kal'Stang said:
Typical Haymarket...when proved to be on the wrong end you quickly (/sarcasm on the "quickly" part) switch gears in order to try and make it look like you were talking about something else entirely.

However guess what? Again you are still wrong. My state still does not require proof of insurance in order to get a license plate or tags for your car. They might ASK you if you have insurance but they do not ask for proof of that insurance. There were several times in the past when I was younger that I took full advantage of that fact.

Earlier you said I would lie when you had no proof. Now you stand before the world admitting you are a liar. You have indicted, tried and convicted yourself. All that remains is for you to be your own High Executioner.

Dickieboy · Jun 30, 2012

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haymarket said:
What ideology would that be?

Yours...obviously...:roll:

Is hating, loathing and despising what libertariansim would do to America and its people an indentified and accepted political ideology? Where do I find a link to that?

I see, continuing to exhibit the roots of your ideology again...carry on...

haymarket · Jun 30, 2012

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Kal'Stang said:
What happened thursday has nothing to do with what you said in that post which I even bolded to let you know what I was laughing at.

Again I ask...want me to type slower for you?

Would typing slower give you credibility where you have none? Sure type as slow as you want to.

Would typing slower prevent you from confusing one topic with a different topic? Sure type as slow as you want to.

Would typing slower give you knowledge that you fail to demonstrate? Sure type as slow as you want.

Would typing slower flesh out your silly drive by posts in which you say nothing of actual substance? Sure type as slow as you want.

haymarket · Jun 30, 2012

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Dickieboy said:
Yours...obviously...:roll:

I see, continuing to exhibit the roots of your ideology again...carry on...

What ideology would I have exactly?

What is the recognized political ideology for one who hates, loathes and despises what libertarianism would do to America and its citizens?