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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And yet, Medicare and the VA generally get higher satisfaction ratings than the private system....

    For example: Who's Afraid Of Public Insurance? - Mark Blumenthal - NationalJournal.com
    LOL. More opinion and SLANTED surveys praising gov't programs, by those getting the benefit of gov't programs. Of COURSE I would like something free instead of having to pay for it. A free small order of fries is "better" than a paying for a large order of fries. Finding ANYONE with an OPINION that agrees with you PROVES that you were right. LOL
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    You know what hasn't been talked about enough about the mandate/tax/penalty/thingy/whatever? It's 100% a choice.

    If you choose to have health insurance, you do not pay this penalty. Period. Some people prefer taxes where you can choose to pay it. And unlike sales taxes, where you can "choose" to eat or put gas in your car, this one actually is a genuine choice.

    As a corollary, people who claim that it's going to be "the biggest tax increase in history" are significantly grasping at straws. Theoretically, if every American put aside his torch and pitchfork and--ooh! gasp! horror!--bought private health insurance, there would not be one dime of taxes raised by this.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    LOL. More opinion and SLANTED surveys praising gov't programs, by those getting the benefit of gov't programs. Of COURSE I would like something free instead of having to pay for it. A free small order of fries is "better" than a paying for a large order of fries. Finding ANYONE with an OPINION that agrees with you PROVES that you were right. LOL
    Rather, any poll or survey that disagrees with you is automaticall slanted and therefore invalid.

    But in fact, Medicare is not FREE. People paid for it with their payroll taxes, and many pay significant additional premiums. I was shocked when my father told me how much he pays for he and my mother.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I've only got one question about insurance, what do they provide besides taking a slice of money out of the system? They're not a doctor, nurse, technician or any kind of health service they simply get in between the patient and their medical providers for a fee driving up medical costs. How would not eliminating them not bring down costs?
    Ultimately I think insurance bureaucracy will be replaced by govt. bureaucracy. Do you like the IRS? It's going to expand, and so will its intrusiveness.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Expand coverage and increase availability - By providing more people with health insurance.

    Reduce costs - By giving the government more leverage over health care providers, by steering funding toward effective procedures, and by eliminating some of the hidden costs of having millions of uninsured people.
    Your side's plans have a lot of moving parts don't they. What does your experience tell you about working with the federal bureaucracy? I used to be a federal bureaucrat. That experience helped shape my view on this subject.

    The universe of health care is finite and exhaustible. Anything that is finite can be spread too thin when it is overwhelmed.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    LOL. More opinion and SLANTED surveys praising gov't programs, by those getting the benefit of gov't programs.
    I'm very satisfied with my SSDI and Texas High Risk poll insurance.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Rather, any poll or survey that disagrees with you is automaticall slanted and therefore invalid.

    But in fact, Medicare is not FREE. People paid for it with their payroll taxes, and many pay significant additional premiums. I was shocked when my father told me how much he pays for he and my mother.
    Anyone that thinks Medicare is a free ride for health care hasn't talked with any one living on Medicare.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Rather, any poll or survey that disagrees with you is automaticall slanted and therefore invalid.

    But in fact, Medicare is not FREE. People paid for it with their payroll taxes, and many pay significant additional premiums. I was shocked when my father told me how much he pays for he and my mother.
    You would be much more shocked to see what private insurance would cost them, if it is even available. I know that medicare is not free and does not cover 100% of medical costs but neither does private insurance. For the same cost as medicare there IS no private insurance equivalent, so that is an apples to moonrocks comparison. The poll you cited simply affirms that medicare beats nothing, as I am sure that it does. ;-)
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Your side's plans have a lot of moving parts don't they. What does your experience tell you about working with the federal bureaucracy? I used to be a federal bureaucrat. That experience helped shape my view on this subject.

    The universe of health care is finite and exhaustible. Anything that is finite can be spread too thin when it is overwhelmed.
    And yet...this theory is not borne out by the experience of any other country in the world.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And yet...this theory is not borne out by the experience of any other country in the world.
    Do you believe in the Parable of the Loaves and Fishes? I don't.

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