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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So it's the Affordable Care Act's fault if Congress decides to spend more than it earns on other things?
    That isn't how budgetary impacts are calculated.
    Don't change the subject...YOU posted the ACA would reduce the DEBT...you were wrong...YOU meant 'DEFICIT' I'm sure but now you cannot admit the error...is it that hard?

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    How is it possible to expand coverage, increase availability, and reduce costs at the same time?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The CBO's most recent estimate of all provisions of the ACA and their budgetary impact, from February 2011:
    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...pact_total.png

    Right now, the ACA is a net positive on the budget. It will continue to be a net positive until 2015, then dip into a deficit for a couple years, before returning to a surplus around 2017/2018.

    correct me if I amwrong, but these estimates are based on the law being fully implemented, something the CBO even seems skeptical about

    CBO | Health Costs and the Federal Budget

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The debt is nothing more than the collective deficits, year after year. The ACA's budgetary impact is to reduce the deficit every year into the forseeable future, with the exception of a slight deficit from 2015-2018. Therefore it ALSO reduces the debt.
    Well if you are right then all of America's problems are solved. But in real life nothing goes according to plan.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    How is it possible to expand coverage, increase availability, and reduce costs at the same time?
    I've only got one question about insurance, what do they provide besides taking a slice of money out of the system? They're not a doctor, nurse, technician or any kind of health service they simply get in between the patient and their medical providers for a fee driving up medical costs. How would not eliminating them not bring down costs?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Don't change the subject...YOU posted the ACA would reduce the DEBT...you were wrong...YOU meant 'DEFICIT'
    No, I meant both. The debt = the year-on-year deficits. Since the ACA will indeed reduce the year-on-year deficits, then it will reduce the debt. See below for further clarification.

    I'm sure but now you cannot admit the error...is it that hard?
    I assumed that when I said "It will reduce the debt," it was understood that that meant "It will reduce the debt assuming that all other taxing/spending occurs as it otherwise would." Sorry if I overestimated your understanding of how budgetary accounting works.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    How is it possible to expand coverage, increase availability, and reduce costs at the same time?
    Expand coverage and increase availability - By providing more people with health insurance.

    Reduce costs - By giving the government more leverage over health care providers, by steering funding toward effective procedures, and by eliminating some of the hidden costs of having millions of uninsured people.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    correct me if I amwrong, but these estimates are based on the law being fully implemented, something the CBO even seems skeptical about

    CBO | Health Costs and the Federal Budget
    This is true; the CBO's job is to look at the legislation and determine its impact if it is implemented. The CBO can't guess what future congresses will do, any better than you or I can.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Expand coverage and increase availability - By providing more people with health insurance.

    Reduce costs - By giving the government more leverage over health care providers, by steering funding toward effective procedures, and by eliminating some of the hidden costs of having millions of uninsured people.
    What? The LARGEST "hidden" cost is "private" medical care insurance itself! Even the "thrifty" PPACA allows 20% of insurance premium money to NOT be spent going directly to the medical care providers. That ALONE would save up to 20%, simply by eliminating the third party involved. Hmm...
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? The LARGEST "hidden" cost is "private" medical care insurance itself! Even the "thrifty" PPACA allows 20% of insurance premium money to NOT be spent going directly to the medical care providers. That ALONE would save up to 20%, simply by eliminating the third party involved. Hmm...
    Oh, I agree. I'm all for cutting private insurance companies out of the loop entirely, but there doesn't seem to be enough congressional support for that. Nevertheless, 20% is the MAXIMUM they're allowed to spend on things other than medical care, which is at least a step in the right direction. Prior to PPACA, there were no financial restrictions on them at all.
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