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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    It's a TAX and at the end of all the "he said, she said", the taxpaper is going to pay for this bill. You cannot, no way, no how, pay for 30-40 Million people without raising TAXES on the taxpaper. You the know TAXPAYER, those 52% that foot the bills now.

    Smoke and mirrors is being blown by the govt on this HC bill, and with their other hand they lift your wallet.

    Question for you. Who's gonna pay for the education for all those NEW doctors that will be needed? Here's my guess - the TAXPAPER.
    I have insurance so I won't be paying for it. Not that I would object if I was....
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I have insurance so I won't be paying for it. Not that I would object if I was....
    If you pay taxes and/or have insurance then you WILL be paying for PPACA, if not, then you will still be paying for PPACA, just not as directly. ;-)
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If you pay taxes and/or have insurance then you WILL be paying for PPACA, if not, then you will still be paying for PPACA, just not as directly. ;-)
    No, my tax rate won't go up because of it, and I don't think my insurance rate will either.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    You are so right. "Repeating failed arguments" won't make this other than what the JD argued and the Supreme Court ruled. It's a TAX.
    The Romney campaign disagrees very strongly with you.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, my tax rate won't go up because of it, and I don't think my insurance rate will either.
    What? Adding 45 MILLION people, almost all of them getting PUBLICLY subsidized insurance policies (with LEGAL 20% overhead) is not going to cost YOU anything? What planet are you on? Please explain this "new math". Even if YOU pay no taxes YOU are part owner of the $16 TRILLION national debt, whether Obama tells you so or not; since every dollar of that debt must be paid by taxes that could otherwise either remain in private hands or be spent on some other gov't purpose. Quit simply mindlessly cheerleading for Obama and the socialists. There is no such thing as a free lunch, even if Obama says that there is. Get real!
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I have insurance so I won't be paying for it. Not that I would object if I was....

    I have insurance also, but I do mind being forced to pay a TAX that was solid as NOT A TAX.

    So my question was = who's gonna foot the bill for all the NEW DOCTORS that will be needed?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Romney campaign disagrees very strongly with you.



    Listen you hate Romeny right? So you've got a dog in the Romney fight, yes? Thanks.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? Adding 45 MILLION people, almost all of them getting PUBLICLY subsidized insurance policies (with LEGAL 20% overhead) is not going to cost YOU anything? What planet are you on?
    At your income, PPACA will give you free or nearly-free health insurance and you won't pay any additional taxes. So what makes you think that the same isn't true of many other people too? Basically, with PPACA you'll come out massively ahead if you're older, sicker, and/or have a lower income. You'll come out slightly behind if you're young, healthy, and have a pretty good income. The only people who will come out substantially behind (in dollar terms) are those earning more than $250,000...and even those tax increases will only amount to 0.9% of their earned income.

    Please explain this "new math". Even if YOU pay no taxes YOU are part owner of the $16 TRILLION national debt, whether Obama tells you so or not;
    Well, that will be paid for via taxes too. In the absence of any legislation to the contrary, it's logical to assume that your share of the debt is roughly the same as your share of the tax burden. In any case, the CBO says that the Affordable Care Act will reduce the debt.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    So my question was = who's gonna foot the bill for all the NEW DOCTORS that will be needed?
    Hopefully states will be encouraged to open more medical schools and break the AMA's monopolistic reign of terror over our health care system. We can also allow more doctors to immigrate to the United States; this costs virtually nothing.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In any case, the CBO says that the Affordable Care Act will reduce the debt.
    Can you substantiate this?

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