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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    One way in which conservatives can cause system failure will be to mobilize seniors. The overwhelming majority of them are conservatives. Obamacare transfers health care dollars away from Medicare and into Obamacare. Hammering this home will produce an entirely new level of resentment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    My friend, compose yourself. No one is leaving. Counter-Revolution has to be waged at home.
    So you don't believe that elections or politics can change the system, and you support "counter-revolution." What exactly does your counter-revolution entail, and is it anything I need to report to the FBI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Is that not EXACTLY what medicaid and medicare do?
    Yes, exactly. Although I think Medicare is more comprehensive. This is why I say we ought to just extend Medicare for everyone (reworking the taxation: separate FICA and income withholding???).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So you don't believe that elections or politics can change the system, and you support "counter-revolution." What exactly does your counter-revolution entail, and is it anything I need to report to the FBI?
    Counter Revolution only requires alienation, estrangement, loss of faith, and political paralysis. All of this weakens and enervates the established political order. The net effect is the break down of social cohesion. The American dominated era of world history is over. That means living standards will decline for most people. America is also in some part a Third World Country where the public schools don't function. America's role in the world will shrink. That will reinforce the decline in living standards. This is toxic in the absence of social cohesion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So you don't believe that elections or politics can change the system, and you support "counter-revolution." What exactly does your counter-revolution entail, and is it anything I need to report to the FBI?
    Do YOU think that elections or politics can change the system? The system is trapped in a closed cycle. NO WAY the politicians are going to allow a separation of corporate influence from elections or politics or a politician landing a nice plush office at a financial firm after leaving office. It is entrenched.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I will say once again, public funding, but private enterprise service. Kinda like school vouchers with minimal public schools. Go to your private doctor and hospital of choice.
    Is that not EXACTLY what medicaid and medicare NOW do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Is that not EXACTLY what medicaid and medicare NOW do?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060645032

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost
    You act like that chart is meaningful. If you dont go in and break down what they did its pretty well worthless. Insurance companies demand certain tests be done to curb the possibility of lawsuit. Even in cases where the doctor is sure of the prognosis. So both have their hands tied. Lower the spurious lawsuits and you lower the tests required.
    You're the one that stated this...
    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost
    If tort reform were enacted that would allow insurance costs to drop by placing ceilings on lawsuits, they will curb costs by requiring fewer tests.
    I showed you the states that already did this and it didn't make a difference in health care costs or insurance premium costs to the consumer. What it did do was lower medical malpractice costs for doctors and insurance claims payouts. Another fine example of the fallacy of the 'trickle down theory'.

    If you're me to go in and break down each state's tort reform laws and analyze them on this board. It ain't gonna happen. If you're really that interested, you'll do it yourself, but I also have a feeling that that ain't gonna happen either...


    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost
    Im curious as to how much tort reform has occurred in the last 10 years, since costs have been going up faster, rather than the last 25.
    Like the above curiosity, if you're really curious you'll find out on your own.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Yes, exactly. Although I think Medicare is more comprehensive. This is why I say we ought to just extend Medicare for everyone (reworking the taxation: separate FICA and income withholding???).
    Medicare is based on paying in for your entire working life and than getting coverage beginning at age 65 IFF you live that long. Remember that medical care is about 1/6 of the U.S. economy, so a REASONBALE rate would be 18% of your income to cover those costs for "free"; that is FAR higher than most would agree to pay. The alternative is to pay all that you have at the time, go bankrupt, and then you qualify for medicaid. My preference is for "catastrophic" medical care insurance that has a high annual deductable and pays 100% of costs above that limit. It would be much more affordable, and still protect you from absolute bankruptcy for a major illness/injury. Unfortunately PPACA outlaws that type of reasonable insurance since it is of little value to the very poorest people and not as profitable for insurance companies as the "standard" policies that we now have.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Do YOU think that elections or politics can change the system?
    In terms of health care, it obviously can or the Affordable Care Act would never have been passed in the first place.
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