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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    BAD idea, charity care should be a private matter, we already have medicaid/medcaid for that, BTW. The LAST thing I want to see is a hospital/clinic run like the post office or motor vehicle department.
    I will say once again, public funding, but private enterprise service. Kinda like school vouchers with minimal public schools. Go to your private doctor and hospital of choice.

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    Obama will probably be reelected. Obamacare will be permanent. The economy will sputter. The political order will now experience a new level of toxicity that enervates the country. When one cannot achieve power, there is no reason not to undermine the established order in its entirety.

    This is in the context of America as a declining power and other nation states rising to world power. There are weaknesses within America that can be used as fulcrums.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have asked this before and not gotten an answer. Maybe you know. Why is it that insurance cannot be sold across state lines? In theory it sounds like a no brainer, it should be perfectly legal. However, I am assuming hte law did not come about by accident, so does any one know the justification for that ban?
    Some helpful links about interstate sales of medical care insurance:

    http://www.naic.org/documents/topics...ales_myths.pdf

    http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=1181

    http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2...considered-by/

    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org...pub_detail.asp
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I will say once again, public funding, but private enterprise service. Kinda like school vouchers with minimal public schools. Go to your private doctor and hospital of choice.
    Is that not EXACTLY what medicaid and medicare do?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Allowing medical insurance to be sold accross state lines would be STEP ONE.
    No. Insurance companies would just do what credit card companies have done: They'd all move to whichever state offered the least regulation, then sell from there to everyone.

    Lifting bans, instead of ADDING BANS on "catstrophic" medical care insurance would be STEP TWO.
    I would support that.

    Expanding medicaid, with reasonable, income based fees would be STEP THEEE (the public option).
    The Medicaid expansion is indeed part of PPACA. And I would support further expansion as well.

    Restrictions on (NOT BANS) rescission and pre-existing condition practices should be addressed as STEP FOUR.
    No, these practices should be outright banned. These are among the worst of the worst abuses in the health insurance industry, and allowing any wiggle room will just water them down. If sick people can't get coverage then they won't be able to get (and pay for) treatment.

    Tort reform restrictions should be STEP FIVE.
    It wouldn't have a big impact, but I'm OK with it.

    Easily determined cost of care for a variety of conditions, advertised freely, would be STEP SIX.
    I'm not sure how you would enforce that. In any case, the IPAB which is part of PPACA will be studying the cost of care for various conditions to see which are most effective.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Cool. Then you can secede from the country, and take everyone with you who is committed to preserving an inefficient health care system. I'm not going to stop you. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
    My friend, compose yourself. No one is leaving. Counter-Revolution has to be waged at home.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Now since the SCOTUS had legitimized the PPACA I can think of no better reason to vote for ROMNEY! Considering he to be the grandfather of this legislation as asserted incessantly by those on the Left. I mean really would you rather have the student or the teacher?

    Ready…set…go

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Even the longest journey starts with a single step. There is NO need to jump in the pond over your head just to see if the water is cold or not. Allowing medical insurance to be sold accross state lines would be STEP ONE. Lifting bans, instead of ADDING BANS on "catstrophic" medical care insurance would be STEP TWO. Expanding medicaid, with reasonable, income based fees would be STEP THEEE (the public option). Restrictions on (NOT BANS) rescission and pre-existing condition practices should be addressed as STEP FOUR. Tort reform restrictions should be STEP FIVE. Easily determined cost of care for a variety of conditions, advertised freely, would be STEP SIX.
    In my opinion, this is the "lets take one small step at a time" approach. What we really need is single payer. A public option is a test the waters option, but even that was too much for the right. So we went with "well, lets at least curb the worst of the abuses of the private sector and give them one more chance to get it right" option.

    But, small steps only work if you know you're going to control the white house and both houses of congress for the duration. In this political reality, if you don't seize the opportunity during the rare time when one party controls all three, you'll probably have to wait another decade or two to take the next step.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have asked this before and not gotten an answer. Maybe you know. Why is it that insurance cannot be sold across state lines? In theory it sounds like a no brainer, it should be perfectly legal. However, I am assuming hte law did not come about by accident, so does any one know the justification for that ban?
    If Massachusetts has very strict requirements about what kinds of insurance policies are allowed, and South Dakota has virtually none, then all of the insurance companies will simply move to South Dakota and start selling their plans to people in Massachusetts. This would create a situation where people "technically" had health insurance, but it didn't actually do anything.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Cool. Then you can secede from the country, and take everyone with you who is committed to preserving an inefficient health care system. I'm not going to stop you. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
    The thing is that healthcare is only one example of the federal government being in bed with corporate interests.
    • financial markets
    • mortgages
    • farm subsidies
    • energy subsidies
    • drug prohibition (you think there are not serious "corporate" interests here, contributing to campaigns?)
    • indirect subsidies, by way of regulation, for
      • lawyers
      • tax accountants
      • investors
      • ISPs/telecoms
      • building permits and construction


    Whole industries of employment are created and maintained by regulation and law. It is indirect taxation.
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