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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183, 386]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So if no one can know, why are you making assumptions? Why throw out the studies done on the subject then continue to act like it is a big cost saver?
    I don't know something called common sense. Some things do not need a lot of studies to understand if a number is directionally correct.

    Rather than deflect, do you really think that the items mentioned above cost only $5 billion a year. Why stand by something we are know is nonsense and hide behind some study.

    Answers such as the above is what makes people hate politics. It seems to have to divorce yourself of common sense when making these arguments.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183, 386]

    I think you are missing the point. Defensive medicine to avoid suit is driving a good percentage of health care costs. If tort reform were enacted that would allow insurance costs to drop by placing ceilings on lawsuits, they will curb costs by requiring fewer tests.

    There are hidden costs, not just lawsuit savings that will take some cost out of the system. Tort reform is a common sense solution to curb costs. But, we unfortunately have more than a few lawyers in Congress that are lobbied pretty heavily. Tort reform as a legislative goal will be a long haul.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183, 386]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I think you are missing the point. Defensive medicine to avoid suit is driving a good percentage of health care costs. If tort reform were enacted that would allow insurance costs to drop by placing ceilings on lawsuits, they will curb costs by requiring fewer tests.

    There are hidden costs, not just lawsuit savings that will take some cost out of the system. Tort reform is a common sense solution to curb costs. But, we unfortunately have more than a few lawyers in Congress that are lobbied pretty heavily. Tort reform as a legislative goal will be a long haul.
    Most states already have some sort of tort reform.


    Tort Reform Since 1986 - By State


    It's benefited Doctors and insurance companies, has done nothing for the consumer.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Can you please provide specific and detailed sources to back up your claim that "Republicans Hate Health Care"?

    Thank you
    A pretty good sign is their attack on the insurance mandate which they themselves created as an alternative to UHC, wouldn't you say?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A pretty good sign is their attack on the insurance mandate which they themselves created as an alternative to UHC, wouldn't you say?
    On a state by state basis. The fed has no business enacting such a thing. A mandate would be completely legal as a state function. It makes sense too, as state legislatures are more accountable than the fed overall. The other idea is that if 50 states are all enacting programs it will be a lot easier to see whats working and what is not. With the fed administering this we can expect to have less accountability, less cost reduction, more red tape, and more overhead from layers of people sticking their nose into healthcare that should not.

    What the AHCA is going to do is separate people into 2 categories, those that are subsidized and those that are taxed for their healthcare. Its already happening, people with good healthcare have their premiums going up like crazy---there is talk that middle managers in places like California and New York will soon be taxed for their healthcare at whatever the rate is (40%? seems high but I think I remember reading that). More people in the lower end of the middle class are losing their healthcare and they will be on the subsidized end. Expect the amount of people paying their own way and not being taxed on health care to shrink in the next 2 years. It looks like that was the goal all along anyway.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183, 386]

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Most states already have some sort of tort reform.


    Tort Reform Since 1986 - By State


    It's benefited Doctors and insurance companies, has done nothing for the consumer.
    You act like that chart is meaningful. If you dont go in and break down what they did its pretty well worthless. Insurance companies demand certain tests be done to curb the possibility of lawsuit. Even in cases where the doctor is sure of the prognosis. So both have their hands tied. Lower the spurious lawsuits and you lower the tests required.

    Im curious as to how much tort reform has occurred in the last 10 years, since costs have been going up faster, rather than the last 25.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The reconciliation process could probably be used to get rid of the mandate, yes. But it would not be sufficient to repeal the entire law.
    It was sufficient to pass it but not repeal it?


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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183, 386]

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Most states already have some sort of tort reform.


    Tort Reform Since 1986 - By State


    It's benefited Doctors and insurance companies, has done nothing for the consumer.
    Funny that you supply a link that has nothing to do with your ASSERTION that tort reform benefits doctors and insurance companies, yet those "savings" are not passed on to the consumer. I believe that a HUGE part of the tort reform needed would be to make the LOSER pay the legal costs of the winner, that alone would do wonders for the added costs of "malpractice" insurance. Perhaps you could show a link (or two) RELATED to your assertion.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    I don't care how you want to dress this pig up, it's a TAX.

    I guess Pelosi's "We're gonna have to read it to know what's in it" was true. Guess what we have found out? It's a TAX. Obama never, ever, once told the general public this HC bill was a TAX. And, I might add, not just on the "rich". Every person that pays taxes will pay for this HC bill.

    Obama lied - pure and simple. For all the Dems out there a question . . . . . . who said: "Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES!" How many times was GB the elder bashed with that comment?

    The Repubs have every right to bash President Obama and the rest of the Dems with this lie IMO.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A pretty good sign is their attack on the insurance mandate which they themselves created as an alternative to UHC, wouldn't you say?
    What? If I oppose the gov't demanding that we all buy puppies, I therefore must hate puppies? LOL
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