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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Who claimed you did?
    You're making the comparison. Obamacare, and the premise behind it are in no way similar to Automobile insurance laws.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

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    Really? have some examples?
    You want examples of how slavery sacrifices all social freedom? Are you serious?

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    You forgot individual freedom; you know, looking at the rights of everyone instead of just the group as a whole.
    Individual freedom can be split into two categories- economic freedom and social freedom. The definition of a conservative is someone who favors lower regulation of economic matters and higher regulation of social matters. The definition of a liberal is someone who favors more regulation of economic matters and less regulation of social matters. Obviously in the US neither side favors either total regulation or zero regulation in either sphere. There are some economic areas where liberals want less regulation and conservatives want more. For example, unions. And there are some social issue where conservatives want less regulation and liberals more. For example guns. But, by and large, you find the liberal on the side of more economic regulation and less social regulation most often. For the economic side, you have environmental regulations, minimum wage, health care regulation, etc. For the social side you have the death penalty, abortion, birth control, separation of church and state, the use of torture, domestic spying, etc.

    Allowing slavery is maxed out economic freedom. Such a strong concept of property rights that one can own other human beings. Government stays totally out of the way of business. On the other hand, it shows zero concern for the social freedom of the individual. The slaves are totally oppressed. So, it's a very conservative phenomenon.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Those opposing me here should take note that when I posed the question I specially mentioned BOTH insurance as well as meeting financial responsibility with the state.

    Yes, you drove your parents car and they paid for your coverage to do so. Your driving on the roads in that vehicle with insurance was indeed paid for.
    Switching strides again are we? So I take it that you have given up the bogus claim of all states requiring proof of insurance in order to license a person and/or their vehicle?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

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    Switching strides again are we? So I take it that you have given up the bogus claim of all states requiring proof of insurance in order to license a person and/or their vehicle?
    It's like duck hunting with a .22....
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    [url=http://www.carinsurance.com/kb/content20009.aspx]
    Those opposing me here should take note that when I posed the question I specially mentioned BOTH insurance as well as meeting financial responsibility with the state.
    Is it SO hard for you to admit error in your original assertion and/or rephrase it to be correct?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You are mistaken. The liberal judges published an opinion that affirmed the ACA under the Commerce clause. The conservative judges on the other hand published the dissenting opinion that the ACA was unconstitutional entirely. Roberts chose neither as you assert. He saw this for what it is, congressional authority to tax under article 1 section 8 and no more. IF the President hadn’t made the ‘tax pledge’ and pressed constitutionality under the Commerce clause I would suggest that this whole thing would have been avoided…or not.
    My comments was NOT regarding the details of his reasoning but in the reality that his vote combined with the other four liberal judges decided the case in favor of the Constitutionality of the law.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Is it SO hard for you to admit error in your original assertion and/or rephrase it to be correct?
    Not at all. I did not go far enough and should have stated that if you want to have a drivers license and drive a vehicle on the roads, then you must have insurance for that vehicle. I made the assumption that anyone with any sense would know that the purpose of a drivers license is to drive a vehicle on the roads. I thought that was part and parcel of getting the drivers license.

    My error was also in taking far too much for granted in far too many ways.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Switching strides again are we? So I take it that you have given up the bogus claim of all states requiring proof of insurance in order to license a person and/or their vehicle?
    And you still have not provided any verifiable proof of your claims or allegations as I did. You have only used your own personal life as support and we cannot accept that because you also confess to being a LIAR by your own word on this very topic.

    Here are your own words where you admitted to being a LIAR on this very topic

    My state still does not require proof of insurance in order to get a license plate or tags for your car. They might ASK you if you have insurance but they do not ask for proof of that insurance. There were several times in the past when I was younger that I took full advantage of that fact.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Bold: Yes you did provide that. One problem though. That is NOT what you argued and you know it. You argued that your state required proof of insurance in order to even get a license. (a bit later you got caught on that lie and tried to switch it to licensing a vehicle). Requiring proof to get licensed and requiring proof that you have insurance when in an accident or stopped by the cops are two completely different things.

    Again you try to move the goal posts. You truely do not have any ethics do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But you have not done so. I provided the Michigan law which clearly states that anyone caught driving without insurance has committed a civil infraction and is subject to a fine.

    You provided only personal anecdotes without any proof at all. And you are a self admitted liar when it benefits yourself. Here are your very words in which you admitted doing so
    Apparently you mised my previous post were I did show proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually my proof about you is in my signature.

    As for the rest...how the hell would you know if I was lying or not? You don't even know wtf state I live in.

    But hey, just to prove it to you...

    Idaho.gov ~ Registering and Licensing Vehicles in Idaho VEHICLE REGISTRATIONS

    Sorry..no requirement there about insurance.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not at all. I did not go far enough and should have stated that if you want to have a drivers license and drive a vehicle on the roads, then you must have insurance for that vehicle. I made the assumption that anyone with any sense would know that the purpose of a drivers license is to drive a vehicle on the roads. I thought that was part and parcel of getting the drivers license.

    My error was also in taking far too much for granted in far too many ways.
    Tsk, tsk.

    This is not even close to what you said. In fact, you incorrectly stated that Michigan requires you to have insurance in order to have a driver's license. This is not true. The importance of the distinction seems to escape you, and that distinction lies squarely in what the state (or in this case Govt) has a right to do.

    http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7...040---,00.html

    Please show me where Michigan requires you to have vehicle insurance in order to obtain a driver's license.
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