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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When one of the most conservative justices in the last seventy years sides with the four more liberal judges, it says a whole lot more than that.
    Didn't the swing vote Kennedy vote in favor of trashing the whole thing? Didn't he write the dissent opinion, calling the whole bill invalid and the court claiming it a tax just to keep it judicial activism?

    I think that says a lot more right there.


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    Nonetheless we can certainly categorize it on today's political spectrum. Slavery is the most extreme end of the conservative spectrum. Total sacrifice of social freedom
    Really? have some examples?

    to economic freedom. Small government. State's rights. Staying out of the way of big business. It is the exact opposite of everything haymarket believes in. So what are you basing your accusation on?
    You forgot individual freedom; you know, looking at the rights of everyone instead of just the group as a whole.


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You can have the license as long as you do not use it to drive a vehicle. If you actually want to take the step to drive a vehicle - which is the whole point of the damn thing in the real world I live in - you must supply proof of insurance to get a plate for that vehicle.
    Not true, at least in my state, you can drive someone else's vehicle without insurance.



    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that would be licensed to drive WHAT exactly?
    Any insured vehicle. Doesn't mean you have to insure it. Before I bought my car when I was younger, I would drive my parent's car to get around. I would sometimes drive my grandparents car when I took them places. I also drove a shuttle for a local charity that provides transportation for the elderly. In all those cases, I didn't need to buy insurance. And yes, those were "in the real world."
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that would be licensed to drive WHAT exactly?
    If I drive my fathers car I do not have to insure that car.

    BTW, I know i've said this before but apparently you "missed" it. You do not need a license or a license plate to own or drive a car. You just need those things if you plan to drive on public roads. You can drive around on your property all that you wish without those things.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    A vehicle on govt owned roads. It doesn't have to be your vehicle, and you do not, necessarily, have to insure it.
    Somebody does have to insure it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If I drive my fathers car I do not have to insure that car.

    BTW, I know i've said this before but apparently you "missed" it. You do not need a license or a license plate to own or drive a car. You just need those things if you plan to drive on public roads. You can drive around on your property all that you wish without those things.
    your father pays to include you on his car. So out of all the hundred plus millions of drivers with a car and a license and a plate on that car, how many do you think NEVER drive on those government roads?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Somebody does have to insure it.
    Irrelevant, and so not valuable to your point...as far as I understand it, anyway. You're not required to have vehicle insurance to be alive in America.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post



    Not true, at least in my state, you can drive someone else's vehicle without insurance.





    Any insured vehicle. Doesn't mean you have to insure it. Before I bought my car when I was younger, I would drive my parent's car to get around. I would sometimes drive my grandparents car when I took them places. I also drove a shuttle for a local charity that provides transportation for the elderly. In all those cases, I didn't need to buy insurance. And yes, those were "in the real world."
    Do all states require car insurance?


    Do all states require car insurance?

    No, all states do not require car insurance, but all require financial responsibility to operate a vehicle on the roadway.

    Every state requires that you meet financial responsibility requirements through insurance, a bond or some other approved means that show you are able to pay if you cause damages to another person or property in an automobile accident. (See "Got $30,000 and hate car insurers?")

    Each state renews its laws annually, so some states that had no insurance requirements in the past now do. New Hampshire probably has the least amount of requirements -- and it still requires that you immediately show proof of financial responsibility if you've been involved in a car accident.

    If you choose to buy insurance, as most drivers do, all 50 states have different minimum insurance requirements.

    Almost every state requires you to have bodily injury liability insurance to pay for the treatment of anyone you injure; other states operating under no-fault laws will you require that you carry personal injury protection to pay for your own injuries. You usually will be required to buy property damage liability insurance to repair the vehicles of anyone you hit.
    Those opposing me here should take note that when I posed the question I specially mentioned BOTH insurance as well as meeting financial responsibility with the state.

    from my post #265

    Do you know of any states where this is NOT the case that you have insurance or proof of financial responsibility?


    Yes, you drove your parents car and they paid for your coverage to do so. Your driving on the roads in that vehicle with insurance was indeed paid for.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You're not required to have vehicle insurance to be alive in America.
    Who claimed you did?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    your father pays to include you on his car.
    Sorry but again you are wrong. My father's insurance makes no mention of me. Neither do any of my friends cars when I drive them.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So out of all the hundred plus millions of drivers with a car and a license and a plate on that car, how many do you think NEVER drive on those government roads?
    Irrelevent. You said that you HAVE to have insurance to drive a car. If I show even one instance where someone can legally drive without paying for insurance for the car they drive then you are obviously wrong.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Sorry but again you are wrong. My father's insurance makes no mention of me. Neither do any of my friends cars when I drive them.



    Irrelevent. You said that you HAVE to have insurance to drive a car. If I show even one instance where someone can legally drive without paying for insurance for the car they drive then you are obviously wrong.
    But you have not done so. I provided the Michigan law which clearly states that anyone caught driving without insurance has committed a civil infraction and is subject to a fine.

    You provided only personal anecdotes without any proof at all. And you are a self admitted liar when it benefits yourself. Here are your very words in which you admitted doing so

    My state still does not require proof of insurance in order to get a license plate or tags for your car. They might ASK you if you have insurance but they do not ask for proof of that insurance. There were several times in the past when I was younger that I took full advantage of that fact.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When one of the most conservative justices in the last seventy years sides with the four more liberal judges, it says a whole lot more than that.
    You are mistaken. The liberal judges published an opinion that affirmed the ACA under the Commerce clause. The conservative judges on the other hand published the dissenting opinion that the ACA was unconstitutional entirely. Roberts chose neither as you assert. He saw this for what it is, congressional authority to tax under article 1 section 8 and no more. IF the President hadn’t made the ‘tax pledge’ and pressed constitutionality under the Commerce clause I would suggest that this whole thing would have been avoided…or not.

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