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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You dodged my question. Again:

    In my state of Michigan, one cannot obtain a drivers license without a automobile insurance policy in effect. Do you know of any states where this is NOT the case that you have insurance or proof of financial responsibility?
    How the HELL did I "dodge" your question? I thought it was pretty obvious that the state I live in does not require that you have car insurance in order to get a license.

    Do I need to type slower for you or something?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Driver Responsibility - Frequently Asked Questions



    To get a license plate you must also have proof of insurance. You cannot legally drive a car without a license plate.
    Ah, now it's license plate...not driver's license. That's about registering a vehicle, dude....not being licensed to drive one.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    But not to get a drivers license, as Haymarket argued.
    You can have the license as long as you do not use it to drive a vehicle. If you actually want to take the step to drive a vehicle - which is the whole point of the damn thing in the real world I live in - you must supply proof of insurance to get a plate for that vehicle.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That you would compare a law which will maybe impose a couple hundred dollar fine on the hypothetical group of people who make enough money that they can easily afford insurance, but choose not to buy it for inexplicable reason, to the systematic enslavement, murder, torture and rape of many generations of an entire race shines a pretty bright light on how out of touch the right has gotten. The rhetoric is so out of control that the right is no longer connected to reality at all.
    I don't think you've read the Dredd Scott decision counselor.

    You and I don't perceive the relationship between citizen and govt. in the same way. That's why you don't think Roberts v. America is a big deal.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How the HELL did I "dodge" your question? I thought it was pretty obvious that the state I live in does not require that you have car insurance in order to get a license.

    Do I need to type slower for you or something?
    Perhaps in some libertarian Wonderland there is a huge difference in getting a drivers license and driving an actual vehicle but in the real world they are parts of the same activity.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You can have the license as long as you do not use it to drive a vehicle. If you actually want to take the step to drive a vehicle - which is the whole point of the damn thing in the real world I live in - you must supply proof of insurance to get a plate for that vehicle.
    People can drive for a living and not own a vehicle. They need a license to do that, not insurance.

    For example, the military requires you to have a drivers license to operate their vehicles. They do not require that you insure their vehicles.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If the hospital builds into the cost on your bill or the government adds a tax what is the differemce
    The power of the federal govt. is increased and the nature of the relationship between govt. and governed is forever altered.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    People can drive for a living and not own a vehicle. They need a license to do that, not insurance.

    For example, the military requires you to have a drivers license to operate their vehicles. They do not require that you insure their vehicles.
    We are NOT talking about the military. Never have been.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post

    By the government forcing socialistic rules on for-profit, private companies - then the fundamentals of the supply-and-demand rule goes out the window...and overall costs for the consumer go through the roof.



    Imo, in 5-10 years...the average amount Americans spend per capita on healthcare will be much higher then it is today.
    And the satisfaction of Americans in the quality of their healthcare will either stay the same or decline from where it is today.

    And America is already spending MILES more per capita then any other country in the world.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...PP)_per_capita

    Obamacare will only make that number climb (imo).
    That hasn't happened in Massachusetts with Romneycare, which is pretty much the same thing as Obamacare, so I'm not sure why you think it would happen nationally ...

    Cost Containment Massachusetts made the decision in 2006 to focus health reform on expanding insurance coverage not on controlling health costs. As a result, rising costs remain a serious problem. Per capita health spending is 15% higher than the national average and the state has the highest individual market premiums in the country at an average of $437 per person per month. Over the past year however, premium growth in the individual and small group market has slowed markedly, possibly the result of decreased consumer utilization following the recession and increased pressure by state regulators on the industry. Fee-for-service payment methods dominate throughout the state and make it difficult for providers to coordinate care or deliver more cost-effective services.12 Given the size of the health care sector and the concentration of highly specialized medical personnel and academic medical centers in the state, it has been difficult for Massachusetts to control health care costs. Nearly one in five households in the state has earnings from a health-care related job.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If I was asking directions to Hades it might have some significance.

    So I guess that puts you firmly against any good intentions?
    Perhaps you should learn the history of the quote before trying to imply something that I never said. Knowledge is power.
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