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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again - the larger question has already been long decided and I see no real move to change that. Feel free to prove my observation wrong.
    Your observation is not wrong. It's a function of doctors' oath and their legal responsibility to treat first, bill later. I understand that.

    But you can't champion "responsibility" when government is taking over the decision-making process. Similarly, you can't suggest that someone who opts out of buying insurance is truly responsible for the implications of that choice if we end up treating him anyway.

    If you want a system in which people take responsibility, rather than kick the cost burden of their health care needs to others, then you have to return to a private pay cash-only system. Short of that, our model of health care is characterized by systemic irresponsibility, because whatever you do, you'll get bailed out in your time of need.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

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    Does the phrase "the greatest good for the greatest number" mean anything to you?
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions....does that mean anything to you?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You dodged my question. Again:

    In my state of Michigan, one cannot obtain a drivers license without a automobile insurance policy in effect. Do you know of any states where this is NOT the case that you have insurance or proof of financial responsibility?
    Maryland. Insurance follows the car.


    Oh, and when I was stationed in KY, TN didn't require insurance to drive, or plate a car...That has changed I am sure since then.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We debate about the margins and details - not about the basic decision at the core.

    As a society, we argue about the number of angels dancing on the pin - not about IF there are angels dancing on the pin.
    The basic decision at the core is the USG's right to force you to buy health insurance. That's still very much in debate, despite the fact that SCOTUS upheld the authority to do it.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

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    Slavery has existed since the dawn of man. You attempt to make it a partisan issue is pathetic.
    Nonetheless we can certainly categorize it on today's political spectrum. Slavery is the most extreme end of the conservative spectrum. Total sacrifice of social freedom to economic freedom. Small government. State's rights. Staying out of the way of big business. It is the exact opposite of everything haymarket believes in. So what are you basing your accusation on?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You dodged my question. Again:

    In my state of Michigan, one cannot obtain a drivers license without a automobile insurance policy in effect. Do you know of any states where this is NOT the case that you have insurance or proof of financial responsibility?
    I don't believe that is true in any state, including Michigan. You may be confusing registration of an automobile with being licensed to drive a vehicle.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't believe that is true in any state, including Michigan. You may be confusing registration of an automobile with being licensed to drive a vehicle.
    I was looking here and didn't see that requirement...

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/DE...01_20459_7.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions....does that mean anything to you?
    If I was asking directions to Hades it might have some significance.

    So I guess that puts you firmly against any good intentions?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I was looking here and didn't see that requirement...

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/DE...01_20459_7.pdf
    I've been licensed in 7 states, and not once did they ask for insurance before giving me a license. All but one required proof of insurance to register a vehicle.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    While it may be possible in some areas of the land to NOT own a car - there are plenty of areas where that is not a reality.

    Why should people be fined for not buying health insurance? Were I writing the law- that would not be part of it. However, since it is I can only imagine it is there as in incentive to take responsibility for your life in that area and not simply let others totally assume the cost of your own irresponsibility.
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