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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Here's a history question for everyone:

    Did the Supreme Court decision in Dredd Scott end debate on a societal level about slavery or did it set the stage for the Civil War?
    That you would compare a law which will maybe impose a couple hundred dollar fine on the hypothetical group of people who make enough money that they can easily afford insurance, but choose not to buy it for inexplicable reason, to the systematic enslavement, murder, torture and rape of many generations of an entire race shines a pretty bright light on how out of touch the right has gotten. The rhetoric is so out of control that the right is no longer connected to reality at all.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Here's a history question for everyone:

    Did the Supreme Court decision in Dredd Scott end debate on a societal level about slavery or did it set the stage for the Civil War?
    I am sure the hypocritical hayracists of the era were all for ending debate on an issue like slavery that societies throughout all of human history had decided was settled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I like the drama sprinkled in at the end there. Appeals to pity always really get me.



    I repeat: if you're going to shut down and just declare "not in THIS society!!" that's fine. I expect that level of engagement from you when cornered on the issue of responsibility. I'm just pointing out that the responsibility lies in the entity that decides that I need to buy health insurance. If that is MY decision, it's my responsibility. If government is deciding I need to buy insurance, it's government's responsibility, and I'm just the unthinking citizen that complies. I don't have any responsibility to decide whether health insurance is necessary. It's been made for me. All I have to do is... whatever I'm told.

    Again, the decision-maker is the entity with the responsibility. So it takes massive spin to suggest that paying a penalty or else buying insurance is an example of people "taking responsibility."
    Again - the larger question has already been long decided and I see no real move to change that. Feel free to prove my observation wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I am sure the hypocritical hayracists of the era were all for ending debate on an issue like slavery that societies throughout all of human history had decided was settled.
    What? Haymarket is a liberal. Slavery was a right wing thing. What are you talking about?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So knock yourself out and start debating 24/7/365. Then come back here in ten years and report on your progress to turn America into a society where we will allow people to die or starve or freeze to death because they were lazy or stupid or irresponsible or just made bad choices.

    go for it.
    You made it this far without dying or starving or freezing to death. From my perspective, that means just about anyone can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What? Haymarket is a liberal. Slavery was a right wing thing. What are you talking about?
    Don't confuse em with facts. It can be dangerous.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You made it this far without dying or starving or freezing to death. From my perspective, that means just about anyone can.
    Yeah because nobody has ever died or starved or froze to death.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The only difference being that we'll get taxed to pay for it now.
    If the hospital builds into the cost on your bill or the government adds a tax what is the differemce

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You really like using third grade labels like STUPID don't you?
    Then don't say third grade level things.

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    And you do NOT have to buy health insurance either.
    Again the same lie. When are you going to prove it?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In our society, the way it is the choice to NOT drive a car and NOT purchase insurance is a so called choice that is not real or practical for very large numbers of people. Lets talk about the real USA where real American live real lives with real needs - the car being one of them instead of the libertarian dream world.
    I live next to 30 people that don't own a car. And know at least a dozen more that don't live next to me. I know 20 other kids that drive around thier parents property without a license or insurance....its a good way to teach a kid how to drive actually and most parents around here do it. Hell, my wife didn't even have a license or a car until she was 32 and even then I pushed her into getting a license as I knew it would boost her confidence levels which were sorely lacking when I first met her. And that is just in this town alone. I could say much the same thing in several other towns I've lived in.

    And then you seem to forget places like New York City where at least half the city doesn't own a car because they have public transportation readily available. And other cities nation wide.

    Was that "real" enough for you?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What? Haymarket is a liberal. Slavery was a right wing thing. What are you talking about?
    Slavery has existed since the dawn of man. You attempt to make it a partisan issue is pathetic.

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