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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Citizens who drive a motor vehicle - and that would be the vast majority of Americans are forced to purchase insurance for that vehicle.
    No, that's why part of my premium goes to pay for Uninsured Motorists in case I am involved in an accident with a freeloader.

    That's according to an industry group that estimates 13.8% of motorists are uninsured, a number that has climbed during the economic downturn as many financially-pressed Americans allowed their insurance to lapse.

    Insured drivers pay a hefty price for fellow motorists who have no policies — $10.8 billion in 2007, according to the most recent data from the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.

    "Most of the people that do have insurance have coverage that includes uninsured motorist coverage … to protect them (if) they're injured in an accident caused by another motorist who does not have insurance," Corum says.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You can opt to pay the irresponsibility tax instead.
    From what I've been reading, you can also opt not to do so, with the risk of foregoing a your tax refund.

    (CNNMoney)
    What happens if I don't pay the penalty? The IRS will send you a letter stating that you owe the government money.

    "These are not the kinds of things ... that we send agents out about. These are things where you get a letter from us," Shulman said. Failure to pay the penalty will not be treated as a crime.

    "In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure," according to the law.

    The law also prohibits the government from putting liens or levies on your property to collect the penalty. But based on Shulman's comments, it seems the government will be able to withhold your future refunds.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183]

    Hello everyone! Brief lurker, first time poster.

    Question to all who care to answer: The SCOTUS says this is constitutional as a tax, correct? Obama, along with his administration, insists it is not a tax, correct? So, what now?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183]

    Quote Originally Posted by Feebie View Post
    Hello everyone! Brief lurker, first time poster.

    Question to all who care to answer: The SCOTUS says this is constitutional as a tax, correct? Obama, along with his administration, insists it is not a tax, correct? So, what now?
    We get taxed instead of penalized.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183]

    Quote Originally Posted by Feebie View Post
    Hello everyone! Brief lurker, first time poster.

    Question to all who care to answer: The SCOTUS says this is constitutional as a tax, correct? Obama, along with his administration, insists it is not a tax, correct? So, what now?
    Obama gets to raise his palms in the air and say "hey, they said it, not me!"

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    You are correct. First do no harm is the Hippocratic way of saying there is a fiduciary duty to the patient, and that duty begins with doing no harm. I don't believe the federal govt. recognizes any fiduciary duty. In any event, the federal govt. is picking winners and losers on health care. That is hardly the exercise of a fiduciary duty.
    Who exactly are the 'losers on health care' that the federal government has picked with this law?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    No, that's why part of my premium goes to pay for Uninsured Motorists in case I am involved in an accident with a freeloader.



    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ers/50363390/1
    In my state of Michigan, one cannot obtain a drivers license without a automobile insurance policy in effect. Do you know of any states where this is NOT the case that you have insurance or proof of financial responsibility?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Who exactly are the 'losers on health care' that the federal government has picked with this law?
    People like me, who are self-employed, have plans we put together and like. We lose. They'll force us to the exchanges, our insurance are considered "cadillac policies". Here's the link again that describes all this.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

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    Stupid analogy considering NO ONE HAS TO BUY A CAR! Duh. You also do not have to buy insurance for a car if you stay off of public roads with it. See...the choice to "not buy" was still there. This POS legislation leaves NO choice whatsoever.
    You really like using third grade labels like STUPID don't you?

    And you do NOT have to buy health insurance either.

    In our society, the way it is the choice to NOT drive a car and NOT purchase insurance is a so called choice that is not real or practical for very large numbers of people. Lets talk about the real USA where real American live real lives with real needs - the car being one of them instead of the libertarian dream world.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1, 183]

    Thank you to clownboy and to Newmalthusian for your replies. I was not in favor of this from the beginning. If it's only Constitutional as a tax, yet Obama is saying it's not a tax, isn't that kind of flying in the face of the ruling (by his own reaction in stating so firmly it's not a tax)? Also, I've read here and elsewhere the whole car insurance argument, and it's lame, very lame.

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