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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Great. So we agree there is no right to buy or not to buy that simply is a reality of life.
    Only because THIS SCOTUS took away that right.

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    Citizens who drive a motor vehicle - and that would be the vast majority of Americans are forced to purchase insurance for that vehicle. This is nothing radical or revolutionary. It is well established.
    Stupid analogy considering NO ONE HAS TO BUY A CAR! Duh. You also do not have to buy insurance for a car if you stay off of public roads with it. See...the choice to "not buy" was still there. This POS legislation leaves NO choice whatsoever.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The left isn't capable of balance. It believes it has a higher moral vision that entitles it to ignore the "ends/means test." Because the ends justify the means the left is capable of anything, except restraint.
    Of course ends can justify means. That's one of the most insidious slogans there is. People say that the Nazis mistake was that they let their "ends" of a right wing utopia justify the "means" of exterminating the Jews and trying to conquer the world. That was bad, so it must be that it is always bad to decide what to do based on the ends.

    It's a really twisted piece of logic because it is based on the idea that the end of a world without Jews or Gay people ruled by a fascist dictatorship were a good goal, but it was just bad because they resorted to unseemly means to get there... The problem was the ends as much as the means. The end was evil, so approaching that end meant employing evil means.

    The ends are the only thing any rational decision is ever based on. The means of me typing these words are justified by the ends of this post going up on the board. The means of driving to work is justified by the ends of arriving at work. Every rational, pragmatic, analysis of anything is based on the end results.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If that happens, we can work so that is dealt with.
    How?

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    And you still DO NOT HAVE TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE.
    Out right lie. You're definately living up to your quote in my signature thats for sure.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how much health insurance does ACA require?

    can it just be hospitalization/emergency insurance?
    NO. I do not know the EXACT minimum mandatory benefits (some are not yet even written, or are "phased in"), but it must provide for "free" preventive care and many off the wall things, like birth control pills and other such nonsense, dreamed up by a politically correct panel of DC morons. Yes even single males must now have birth control pill coverage in Obama land, we can not "discriminate" based on gender. Not even surcharges for the obese are permitted any more, so we ALL must pay the (35%?) overweight rates now. USA, USA, USA...
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Of course ends can justify means. That's one of the most insidious slogans there is. People say that the Nazis mistake was that they let their "ends" of a right wing utopia justify the "means" of exterminating the Jews and trying to conquer the world. That was bad, so it must be that it is always bad to decide what to do based on the ends.

    It's a really twisted piece of logic because it is based on the idea that the end of a world without Jews or Gay people ruled by a fascist dictatorship were a good goal, but it was just bad because they resorted to unseemly means to get there... The problem was the ends as much as the means. The end was evil, so approaching that end meant employing evil means.

    The ends are the only thing any rational decision is ever based on. The means of me typing these words are justified by the ends of this post going up on the board. The means of driving to work is justified by the ends of arriving at work. Every rational, pragmatic, analysis of anything is based on the end results.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If that happens, we can work so that is dealt with.

    And you still DO NOT HAVE TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE.
    What do you consider "do not have to" to mean? We don't have to pay IRS either but they tend to demand that we do. Are you saying that, after 2014, I may LIE on my IRS forms, or make a partial payment? Explain how you see a MANDATE as an option. Crickets...
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What unites Americans and makes them a single community?
    I dunno, what?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What do you consider "do not have to" to mean? We don't have to pay IRS either but they tend to demand that we do. Are you saying that, after 2014, I may LIE on my IRS forms, or make a partial payment? Explain how you see a MANDATE as an option. Crickets...
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When one of the most conservative justices in the last seventy years sides with the four more liberal judges, it says a whole lot more than that.
    Apparently you haven't read any of the opinion. In not so many words, he called it crap legislation. It just happened to be legal crap in his opinion.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I dunno, what?
    I can't think of anything either. I just don't see anything Americans share in common.

    Americans don't share blood, culture or ideas.

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