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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    HC is always being rationed in one manner or another. It's economics.
    yup. so, generally speaking, who do you think is going to understand your individual circumstances better in figuring out what you don't need? You? Or someone in a cubicle in Washington trying to make you fit into a box with 125,000,000 others with a one-size-fits-not-quite-anybody solution?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yup. so, generally speaking, who do you think is going to understand your individual circumstances better in figuring out what you don't need? You? Or someone in a cubicle in Washington trying to make you fit into a box with 125,000,000 others with a one-size-fits-not-quite-anybody solution?
    Good thing what you suggest has nothing to do with the very constitutional ACA.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Correction: they hate OBAMA.
    no. just the policies. Obama's favorabilities are much higher than the health insurance bill tax that bears his name.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    These 30 million "customers" have either no jobs or McJobs, that is why they do not have insurance now. ObamaCare does not force "customers" into the system, it forces the taxpayers to CREATE "customers" by paying their premiums for them, as well as more for their own premiums. Yes insurance companies THINK they are getting more business, but wait and see what the REAL costs are when the ObamaCare added "free" preventive coverage mandates AND premium cost restrictions actually take effect.
    It's certainly possible that a construction worker is better at evaluating risk than the entire insurance industry ... but I wouldn't bet on it.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Good thing what you suggest has nothing to do with the very constitutional ACA.
    apparently you have never heard of the Independent Panel Advisory Board .

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yup. so, generally speaking, who do you think is going to understand your individual circumstances better in figuring out what you don't need? You? Or someone in a cubicle in Washington trying to make you fit into a box with 125,000,000 others with a one-size-fits-not-quite-anybody solution?
    Or to put it another way, who do you think is better able to evaluate the cost/benefit of four or five treatment options for a specific cardiac condition: a panel of the most respected cardiologists in America ... Or Joe the Plumber?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    None of them "hate healthcare" they hate Obamacare.
    Yeah, as I clarified earlier, I mean that they hate the healthcare reform.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Correction: they hate OBAMA.

    I'm sure some do. Just like you hate Bush.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What limit is there on the federal power of taxation after Chief Justice Roberts' opinion in Roberts v. America?
    The federal government does not have the power to implement taxes that would violate the Constitution, or that are designed with the purpose of discouraging people from exercising their constitutional rights. So for example, the government can't tax me because I don't own a Bible (and they can't impose a specific tax if I *do* buy a Bible). They can't tax me for voting. They can't tax me for not contributing money to a certain political party. Etc, etc.

    Furthermore, the main "limit on the federal power of taxation" is the election process. If you think that the government is taxing you too much or taxing you for the wrong things, then vote for someone else.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Or to put it another way, who do you think is better able to evaluate the cost/benefit of four or five treatment options for a specific cardiac condition: a panel of the most respected cardiologists in America ... Or Joe the Plumber?
    you think 15 people in Washington DC will be deciding cases for 311 million people on an individual basis

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