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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, not true. First, the point was “governors elected in 2010” which does not include EVERY governor. New York has seen a UE increase…there is also the disparity in the decrease. From the article:



    New Republican governors rapidly bringing down unemployment in their states - Orlando Political Buzz | Examiner.com

    DAMN…those ‘tea party supported’ governors elected in 2010 decreased their UE 42% more than their Democratic counterparts…that seems pretty significant wouldn't you agree?
    I am sure there is something in the democratic party's talking points to cover this problem. Give folks a minute to check with Chicago and get back to you.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, not true. First, the point was “governors elected in 2010” which does not include EVERY governor. New York has seen a UE increase…there is also the disparity in the decrease.
    And I'm saying that there's nothing miraculous about all the 2010 governors reducing unemployment since 2011, when EVERY state in the country (with the possible exception of NY -- which was essentially flat) reduced unemployment over that time period. Of course they can claim that their policies have been MORE effective and they really turned things around in the last 18 months ... but that would take a little more than correlation to prove. The fact is that unemployment is generally coming down faster in states that were hardest hit by the recession, which happens to include a lot of those states that got new Republican governors.

    As a Florida resident I can't think of a single thing that Scott has done to reduce unemployment in a big way ... but he did turn down several billions in federal money to to build a high speed rail line, which has hurt jobs. As someone pointed out, unemployment was already falling faster than average in most of the states where the new Republican governors took office (in some cases replacing other Republican governors).

    DAMN…those ‘tea party supported’ governors elected in 2010 decreased their UE 42% more than their Democratic counterparts…that seems pretty significant wouldn't you agree?
    I would reserve judgement awaiting something better than correlation.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And I'm saying that there's nothing miraculous about all the 2010 governors reducing unemployment since 2011, when EVERY state in the country (with the possible exception of NY -- which was essentially flat) reduced unemployment over that time period. Of course they can claim that their policies have been MORE effective and they really turned things around in the last 18 months ... but that would take a little more than correlation to prove. The fact is that unemployment is generally coming down faster in states that were hardest hit by the recession, which happens to include a lot of those states that got new Republican governors.

    As a Florida resident I can't think of a single thing that Scott has done to reduce unemployment in a big way ... but he did turn down several billions in federal money to to build a high speed rail line, which has hurt jobs. As someone pointed out, unemployment was already falling faster than average in most of the states where the new Republican governors took office (in some cases replacing other Republican governors).



    I would reserve judgement awaiting something better than correlation.
    You know you could have just as effectively countered with 'no they didn't'...

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You know you could have just as effectively countered with 'no they didn't'...


    That's funny! Zing!

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You know you could have just as effectively countered with 'no they didn't'...
    Well, some of us occasionally supplement our conclusions with reasoning. Weird, right?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, some of us occasionally supplement our conclusions with reasoning. Weird, right?

    Yeah it's like some of us continued to learn social skills and adult communication possibilities even after Grade 5 in school.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, not true. First, the point was “governors elected in 2010” which does not include EVERY governor. New York has seen a UE increase…there is also the disparity in the decrease. From the article:



    New Republican governors rapidly bringing down unemployment in their states - Orlando Political Buzz | Examiner.com

    DAMN…those ‘tea party supported’ governors elected in 2010 decreased their UE 42% more than their Democratic counterparts…that seems pretty significant wouldn't you agree?
    While I admire your devote adulation for the Tea Party, they didn't actually endorse every one of the Republican governors that you give them credit for.

    They supported Jim Keet (AK), Tom Tancredo (CO), Tom Emmer (MN), Carl Paladino (NY) ... all of whom lost to a Democrat

    Rick Scott (FL), Mary Fallin (OK), Susana Martinez (NM), Nikki Haley (SC) ... were Tea Party candidates who won their elections.


    Tea Party Candidates of the 2010 Midterm Election | Fox News

    Also, the drop in unemployment isn't just the result of the governors, for example, one reason the unemployment rate dropped in Michigan is because Obama saved the auto industry there. Yet here that article credits the newly elected Republican governor, which also ignores the fact that the unemployment rate was already dropping before a Republican took over.

    Also, just like the national rate has declined, in part, due to a decrease in the labor force, so have the Republican-led states mentioned in that article where 7 of them are in the top ten states with the biggest drop in the labor force.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Misleading statistics.... But they do lead the nation in one category: disapproval. These Tea Party governors have some of the lowest approval ratings in the country. Corbett in PA - 36%. Rick Scott in FL - 31%. John Kasich in OH - 41%....

    Well that just shows that balancing a budget and helping business create jobs is not on the "important" list for folks that haven't a clue. Either the people in these states, that find these actions bad, are on the dole or they're dumb as rocks.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Well that just shows that balancing a budget and helping business create jobs is not on the "important" list for folks that haven't a clue. Either the people in these states, that find these actions bad, are on the dole or they're dumb as rocks.
    ...or possibly they don't think that policies that favor the rich are necessarily good for the state as a whole, or they may actually WANT government services are don't mind paying for them.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It gets even better. Even Obama is more of a Republican than Romney is. LOL.

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