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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Er...uh, weren’t the Democrats the majority party in ’93? Why yes, yes they were but it didn’t matter. They couldn’t get enough Democrats behind the bill (must not have been so good):



    Politics, Power & Policy Making: The Case of Health Care Reform in the 1990s - Mark E. Rushefsky, Kant Patel - Google Books

    Of course this attempt in shoving through the bill lead to a voter backlash (Remind me again how many years had the Democrats held Congress prior to this) which DID put Republicans in power and certainly killed any further progress. Kinda déjà vu of 2010…
    Please do not bother Mr T. with facts. Boring and not on script.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Hmm, so the thing going on with Catholic institutions, thats the GOP plan? How about the elimination of HSAs? How about elimination of numerous medical plans? How about the minimum floor for coverage where the penalty kicks in? How about the doc fix, that tore up medicare funding? How about all the tax structures that are set up? The 1099 minimum reporting? Are you REALLY saying thats all the GOP? Because I dont think so. They took the mandate, which was a neccessary evil of implementation and made it even ****tier in true DC fashion.

    Again, states are the proper way to both establish a mandate and experiment with various laws and structures to find what works and what does not.
    Virtually every facet of the ACA except for the mandate enjoys a clear plurality, if not outright majority, of support among Americans.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Er...uh, weren’t the Democrats the majority party in ’93? Why yes, yes they were but it didn’t matter. They couldn’t get enough Democrats behind the bill (must not have been so good):

    Politics, Power & Policy Making: The Case of Health Care Reform in the 1990s - Mark E. Rushefsky, Kant Patel - Google Books

    Of course this attempt in shoving through the bill lead to a voter backlash (Remind me again how many years had the Democrats held Congress prior to this) which DID put Republicans in power and certainly killed any further progress. Kinda déjà vu of 2010…
    None of which contradicts the fact that it was a better bill than the Republican alternative ... unless you are willing to concede that the fact of ACA's passage proves that it's a damned-fine bill.

    There's no question that Clinton botched his try at health care reform politically, but the main reason it failed was the massive and successful sell job by the insurance industry.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Virtually every facet of the ACA except for the mandate enjoys a clear plurality, if not outright majority, of support among Americans.
    I think you mean the freebies that the bill made sure was available before the bulk of the bill to try and get support for what the people have not seen yet.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Well there is the small problem that the present Republican Party is denying the value of those ideas they once promoted. Seems like they really could care less about the wellbeing of the nation and more about controlling the reins of power.

    Or in other words, they will say and do anything that gets rid of that black usurper in 'their' White House - even when it is a 180 turn from what they once advocated.

    Just heard on the local news that the Repub Governors, elected in the last elections, have pulled their states back from the brink. Seems to me like they "really" DO "care" MORE "about the wellbeing of the nation" than you give them credit. They're doing a splendid job of putting their constituents before politics, unlike Dems who will eventually want to MANDATE what toliet paper everyone uses.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Just heard on the local news that the Repub Governors, elected in the last elections, have pulled their states back from the brink. Seems to me like they "really" DO "care" MORE "about the wellbeing of the nation" than you give them credit. They're doing a splendid job of putting their constituents before politics, unlike Dems who will eventually want to MANDATE what toliet paper everyone uses.
    Misleading statistics.... But they do lead the nation in one category: disapproval. These Tea Party governors have some of the lowest approval ratings in the country. Corbett in PA - 36%. Rick Scott in FL - 31%. John Kasich in OH - 41%....
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    None of which contradicts the fact that it was a better bill than the Republican alternative ... unless you are willing to concede that the fact of ACA's passage proves that it's a damned-fine bill.
    Ambiguous…

    There's no question that Clinton botched his try at health care reform politically, but the main reason it failed was the massive and successful sell job by the insurance industry.
    The insurance industry was strong enough to get the DEMOCRATS to vote against THEIR OWN bill?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Misleading statistics.... But they do lead the nation in one category: disapproval. These Tea Party governors have some of the lowest approval ratings in the country. Corbett in PA - 36%. Rick Scott in FL - 31%. John Kasich in OH - 41%....
    Nice try for the twist. What's being reported is that all the republican governors elected in 2010 have reduced unemployment in their states.

    As an Obama supporter you'd do well to steer away from disapproval numbers.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nice try for the twist. What's being reported is that all the republican governors elected in 2010 have reduced unemployment in their states.

    As an Obama supporter you'd do well to steer away from disapproval numbers.
    As noted elsewhere, EVERY governor has reduced unemployment since 2010.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    As noted elsewhere, EVERY governor has reduced unemployment since 2010.
    No, not true. First, the point was “governors elected in 2010” which does not include EVERY governor. New York has seen a UE increase…there is also the disparity in the decrease. From the article:

    Voters in 17 states elected new Republican governors in November 2010…The average drop in the unemployment rate in these states was 1.35%

    Now let's look at the eight states that elected new Democratic governors in 2010… The average drop in the unemployment rate in these states was 0.95%, approximately the same as the drop seen nationally.
    New Republican governors rapidly bringing down unemployment in their states - Orlando Political Buzz | Examiner.com

    DAMN…those ‘tea party supported’ governors elected in 2010 decreased their UE 42% more than their Democratic counterparts…that seems pretty significant wouldn't you agree?

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