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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    What about 30 million more customers do you people not understand. This will not only line the Insurance providers pockets but also create a demand for doctors which will pull more students through the system. How is this socialism when it actually strengthens private insurance companies by 30+ million customers? A mandate is necessary if you want to keep the preexisting conditions clause which in my opinion is the most important part.

    It just amazes me at the complete ignorance of what "socialism" is. Conservatives throw that word around to represent anything that doesn't fit into their narrow perspective, which means there is a lot of socialism out there...

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    What about 30 million more customers do you people not understand. This will not only line the Insurance providers pockets but also create a demand for doctors which will pull more students through the system. How is this socialism when it actually strengthens private insurance companies by 30+ million customers? A mandate is necessary if you want to keep the preexisting conditions clause which in my opinion is the most important part.

    It just amazes me at the complete ignorance of what "socialism" is. Conservatives throw that word around to represent anything that doesn't fit into their narrow perspective, which means there is a lot of socialism out there...

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    Oh the irony.....*thinks about how liberals love to throw the race card around*

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    What about 30 million more customers do you people not understand. This will not only line the Insurance providers pockets but also create a demand for doctors which will pull more students through the system. How is this socialism when it actually strengthens private insurance companies by 30+ million customers? A mandate is necessary if you want to keep the preexisting conditions clause which in my opinion is the most important part.

    It just amazes me at the complete ignorance of what "socialism" is. Conservatives throw that word around to represent anything that doesn't fit into their narrow perspective, which means there is a lot of socialism out there...

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    It becomes easy to mesh socialism into any generic collectivist standard when viewing something like this.

    Of course, it becomes difficult to accurately define such collectivist principles into a specific category since, it seems, the litmus test for most collectivists is whether they like it or not. Ultimately though, I don't really think applying a label like "socialist" is all that necessary anyway, as the nature of the bill, and more specifically the individual mandate, speaks for itself.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Honestly, I think a lot of conservative politicians are relieved by the decision. They talk big about how much they hate health care, but they didn't want to have to campaign to people who can't get medical care because of what they did. Republicans have all kinds of crazy rhetoric they're into, but it's better left as rhetoric, not reality.
    None of them "hate healthcare" they hate Obamacare.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Everyone who is covered under the Act has to contribute something. I don't feel bad about subsidizing health care for working families — sorry.
    And I'm tired of communist terms like "working families". Stop ****ing saying it, it's pure communism. Are you a communist?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    3. Perhaps the Democrats will indeed get a commanding majority in the Senate, the House, and the White House.
    I believe it far more likely that the opposite is true. My bet is that Dems lose the senate, lose more of the house, and lose the executive.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2[W:1]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I believe it far more likely that the opposite is true. My bet is that Dems lose the senate, lose more of the house, and lose the executive.
    Right. For those who dislike Obamacare, there is now only one way to get rid of it since the Supreme Court has let it stand: you have to get rid of Obama. After all, it is Obamacare that led to the creation of the TP and the massive democrat congressional losses in 2010. Look for a repeat in 2012.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    What about 30 million more customers do you people not understand. This will not only line the Insurance providers pockets but also create a demand for doctors which will pull more students through the system. How is this socialism when it actually strengthens private insurance companies by 30+ million customers? A mandate is necessary if you want to keep the preexisting conditions clause which in my opinion is the most important part.

    It just amazes me at the complete ignorance of what "socialism" is. Conservatives throw that word around to represent anything that doesn't fit into their narrow perspective, which means there is a lot of socialism out there...

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    These 30 million "customers" have either no jobs or McJobs, that is why they do not have insurance now. ObamaCare does not force "customers" into the system, it forces the taxpayers to CREATE "customers" by paying their premiums for them, as well as more for their own premiums. Yes insurance companies THINK they are getting more business, but wait and see what the REAL costs are when the ObamaCare added "free" preventive coverage mandates AND premium cost restrictions actually take effect.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Slash the military budget to the extent necessary to fund the extension of Medicaid. But it's too late to unring the bell now. The die is cast, and that is a terrible thing for America.
    Slashing the military budget won't do a blessed thing to reduce wait times.

    ACA is pretty good overall, but it's just a first step aimed primarily at expanding coverage. Much more needs to be done to contain costs.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    None of them "hate healthcare" they hate Obamacare.
    Correction: they hate OBAMA.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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