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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    DANG...I see your point now...Those Republican ideas REALLY ARE GOOD...Good thing this is an election year...We can get MORE of them in office...thanks for that...
    Yeah, great ideas. Too bad they've sworn to repeal their own plan.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Again, we have established that Republicans came up with the primary structures of the plan: a healthcare mandate, no denial for preexisting conditions, subsidized insurance for lower income people, etc., etc.

    Want more detail? Read Romney's health care law, or peruse the 1993 Republican law authored by Sen. Chafee and cosponsored by over a dozen other Republicans (and even two Democrats!):
    Kinda curious, if these were/are so good ideas to Democrats now why didn't they pass them in '93?

    As to Romney's plan, considering that Massachusetts is PREDOMINATELY a ‘blue state’ and the state Legislature was a supermajority in both houses at the time do you REALLY believe he could get a ‘Republican creation’ passed? How about Romney’s veto’s to portions of the passed legislation? What were the results of these?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    You can judge for yourself:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You claim 'Republicans created' it, I ask you to substantiate this and you throw a couple of turds at the wall to see if one sticks and I'M THE ONE BEING OBTUSE...wondering who has been wasting the other's time...
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Well there is the small problem that the present Republican Party is denying the value of those ideas they once promoted. Seems like they really could care less about the wellbeing of the nation and more about controlling the reins of power.
    Who are you kiddin'? WE ALL know from the myriad of posts here on DP the Republicans lie...heck, they will lie straight into office then renege on repeal...

    Or in other words, they will say and do anything that gets rid of that black usurper in 'their' White House - even when it is a 180 turn from what they once advocated.
    That's racist...

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Cool place...how's the fishin'?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Cool place...how's the fishin'?
    That was weird.

    PolitiFact | Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Kinda curious, if these were/are so good ideas to Democrats now why didn't they pass them in '93?
    They didn't pass them because Democrats had a better health care plan in '93. But Republicans and the insurance industry killed it, so this time around Dems offered up the Republican plan. And of course they tried to kill it again!
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Cool place...how's the fishin'?
    Whoaa that was pretty bizarre. Not what I meant to link to at all.

    The fishing is usually good in the spring and fall though.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Interesting read. Various points:

    I especially like this analogy "the Obama health-care law 'builds' on the Heritage health reform model only in the sense that, say, a double-quarter-pounder with cheese 'builds' on the idea of a garden salad. Both have lettuce and tomato and may be called food, but the similarities end there."

    -- Who can use the exchange? In a 2006 paper, Moffit wrote, "Ideally, an exchange should be open to all state residents and all interested employers, regardless of the size of the firm, who want to arrange health insurance through the exchange."

    That's not the case with the exchanges in the new law -- at least not any time soon...

    Scholars credit Alain C. Enthoven -- an emeritus professor at the Stanford University Graduate School of Business who worked in the Defense Department during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations -- with popularizing the idea for an exchange as many as three decades ago.
    This specifically refutes your ‘exchange lynchpin’ created by Heritage/Republican point…remind me again which party Kennedy and Johnson were in…

    And per the opinions of ‘Politifact staff’:
    We agree with Heritage that the differences between its original vision and the version enacted into law are not trivial, and are enough to undercut the president's effort to secure a Heritage Foundation seal of approval for his bill
    Overall the ‘mostly true’ rating was based on the Presidents crafty ‘wordsmithing’ as evidenced by the summary paragraph. Their challenge was to validate the Presidents statement not the similarities between PPACA/Heritage/Romneycare…

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They didn't pass them because Democrats had a better health care plan in '93. But Republicans and the insurance industry killed it, so this time around Dems offered up the Republican plan. And of course they tried to kill it again!
    Er...uh, weren’t the Democrats the majority party in ’93? Why yes, yes they were but it didn’t matter. They couldn’t get enough Democrats behind the bill (must not have been so good):

    In August 1994, Democratic Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell introduced a compromise proposal that would have delayed requirements of employers until 2002, and exempted small businesses. However, "even with Mitchell’s bill, there were not enough Democratic Senators behind a single proposal to pass a bill, let alone stop a filibuster
    Politics, Power & Policy Making: The Case of Health Care Reform in the 1990s - Mark E. Rushefsky, Kant Patel - Google Books

    Of course this attempt in shoving through the bill lead to a voter backlash (Remind me again how many years had the Democrats held Congress prior to this) which DID put Republicans in power and certainly killed any further progress. Kinda déjà vu of 2010…

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