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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Try peddling that, they got how many GOP votes in both houses again? The Dem mouthpiece is so desparate for political cover from this monstrosity that hes saying the GOP is responsible for it. That should tell you that they are not at all confident about the popularity of the bill as they purport.

    So which is it? Its a great bill, like most libs have been peddling or its a terrible bill and its all the GOP's fault? Because you seem to want it both ways.

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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    that's gonna sting!
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The law is, for all intents and purposes, a proposal created by Republicans.
    Really? REALLY? Dude, I would love to hear you expound on this especially with some reasonable substantiation. I’m reading this as ‘if you don’t like the PPACA then blame Republicans because it’s their creation’…

    Most of those Republican amendments were BS attempts to derail the process.
    Maybe so but that doesn’t change the FACT that NONE of them were discussed OR passed. Compromise indeed…consider if the parties roll were reversed would you HONESTLY feel the same? 101 proposed amendments…

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
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    that's gonna sting!
    Did either of you watch the video? Mitt clearly states 'people have to take responsibility for getting insurance if they can afford it OR PAYING THEIR OWN WAY’. Does the PPACA allow for ‘paying their own way’ without penalty/tax?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Really? REALLY? Dude, I would love to hear you expound on this especially with some reasonable substantiation. I’m reading this as ‘if you don’t like the PPACA then blame Republicans because it’s their creation’…
    Are you seriously unaware of this? There's a good, brief history here: The individual mandate's Republican roots: A guide - The Week

    Maybe so but that doesn’t change the FACT that NONE of them were discussed OR passed. Compromise indeed…consider if the parties roll were reversed would you HONESTLY feel the same? 101 proposed amendments…
    Most of them were voted on and lost.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Are you seriously unaware of this? There's a good, brief history here: The individual mandate's Republican roots: A guide - The Week
    So the Republicans came up with the mandate 'when they were searching for a market-based alternative to the government-sponsored, universal health-care system liberals were proposing'. Ok, now how does this equate to the PPACA being 'created by Republicans'? Or are you arguing that the mandate is ALL that PPACA does?...try again


    Most of them were voted on and lost.
    EXACTLY my point...compromise....FAIL...

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    So the Republicans came up with the mandate 'when they were searching for a market-based alternative to the government-sponsored, universal health-care system liberals were proposing'. Ok, now how does this equate to the PPACA being 'created by Republicans'? Or are you arguing that the mandate is ALL that PPACA does?...try again
    Sorry, but you need to try again to distinguish Obamacare from what Republicans previously offered -- including the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney. 'Obamacare' very similar to GOP plan | NewsChief.com

    EXACTLY my point...compromise....FAIL...
    Silly me, I forgot that when Republicans say compromise, what they means is "do exactly what we want and none of you want."
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Can you be more specific? What spending cuts did Democrats allegedly promise and then renege on?
    you deny that Bush didn't bargain for spending cuts? I cannot remember and you can google them as easily as I can. But Bush specifically demanded cuts and the dems failed to do so

    Same with Reagan

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you deny that Bush didn't bargain for spending cuts? I cannot remember and you can google them as easily as I can. But Bush specifically demanded cuts and the dems failed to do so

    Same with Reagan
    So you're sure ... but you can't remember ... and you want me to Google to support your argument?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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