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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    So I'm supposed to just sweep the truth under the carpet? Get real. NOTHING from outside the camp will encourage Republicans to compromise. That change can only come from within.
    Truth? Explain to me how either not considering or rejecting 101 ammendments to the PPACA is encouraging or even considering compromise. Remember it takes BOTH sides for compromise.

    http://rsc.jordan.house.gov/Uploaded...2--8.31.10.pdf

    Could it be that the change from within you espouse is more 'fall in line with what we want' especially when we are in the majority?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    So I'm supposed to just sweep the truth under the carpet? Get real. NOTHING from outside the camp will encourage Republicans to compromise. That change can only come from within.
    why should the GOP compromise? We saw what happened when GHWB compromised with the dems-taxes were raised and the dems did not cut spending as they promised and then, come november 1992, none of the dems gave GHWB any credit for compromise but trashed him as giving in.

    The GOP should never compromise on tax hikes with Oblama

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why should the GOP compromise? We saw what happened when GHWB compromised with the dems-taxes were raised and the dems did not cut spending as they promised and then, come november 1992, none of the dems gave GHWB any credit for compromise but trashed him as giving in.

    The GOP should never compromise on tax hikes with Oblama
    Can you be more specific? What spending cuts did Democrats allegedly promise and then renege on?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Can you be more specific? What spending cuts did Democrats allegedly promise and then renege on?
    What spending cuts did they promise?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    As there is no way to estimate how many people will lose their employer paid health care when companies choose to pay their penalty the numbers above regarding costs to families and the government may both be understated.
    Mere speculation. "Choose"? As in, they could actually obey the law and not take the penalty?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    As in, they could actually obey the law and not take the penalty?
    Yes choose...as in obey the law and provide health insurance OR pay the tax...

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Yes choose...as in obey the law and provide health insurance OR pay the tax...
    Then we are in agreement.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What spending cuts did they promise?
    That's part of my question for TD.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Truth? Explain to me how either not considering or rejecting 101 ammendments to the PPACA is encouraging or even considering compromise. Remember it takes BOTH sides for compromise.

    http://rsc.jordan.house.gov/Uploaded...2--8.31.10.pdf

    Could it be that the change from within you espouse is more 'fall in line with what we want' especially when we are in the majority?
    The law is, for all intents and purposes, a proposal created by Republicans. The main innovation that was attractive to liberal Democrats was the public option. In other words, the whole act was a compromise, and then jettisoning the public option was another enormous compromise.

    Most of those Republican amendments were BS attempts to derail the process.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The law is, for all intents and purposes, a proposal created by Republicans. The main innovation that was attractive to liberal Democrats was the public option. In other words, the whole act was a compromise, and then jettisoning the public option was another enormous compromise.

    Most of those Republican amendments were BS attempts to derail the process.
    Try peddling that, they got how many GOP votes in both houses again? The Dem mouthpiece is so desparate for political cover from this monstrosity that hes saying the GOP is responsible for it. That should tell you that they are not at all confident about the popularity of the bill as they purport.

    So which is it? Its a great bill, like most libs have been peddling or its a terrible bill and its all the GOP's fault? Because you seem to want it both ways.

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