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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Then we're pretty much done. Because this 'thing' can't possibly work with those that don't have insurance paying for their own HC. This will eventually fall on the backs of the MIDDLE CLASS like every other govt program.
    Why not? If they can afford insurance, why should they not buy it?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why not? If they can afford insurance, why should they not buy it?

    It's like I said, this will not fly without the taxpapers footing the bill, IMO. When this was labled a TAX by both the Justice Dept lawyers and the SOTUS let it ride because it was justified as a TAX, then it will eventually become a TAX on all taxpayers, not just the ones that want HC.

    Too many other things involved, as I said over and over, more doctors, nurses, tech, aids, hospitals, equipment, etc. will send this thing sky high.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    It's like I said, this will not fly without the taxpapers footing the bill, IMO. When this was labled a TAX by both the Justice Dept lawyers and the SOTUS let it ride because it was justified as a TAX, then it will eventually become a TAX on all taxpayers, not just the ones that want HC.

    Too many other things involved, as I said over and over, more doctors, nurses, tech, aids, hospitals, equipment, etc. will send this thing sky high.
    Labels aside, explain who is being taxed. A word isn't equal to an action. Right now all that is law is that if you don't have insurance, you pay a penlty. No one else pays any tax. And for everyone to pay a tax, and new, separate tax would have to be established.

    Now as for your list, you things that are there right now, that are paid for right now, that we all pay for right now, what exactly do you think is different?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The fact is that the average middle class family will get a $4,000 BENEFIT from the law -- not a tax.
    Is this an annual benefit?

    Where will all this money come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Is this an annual benefit?

    Where will all this money come from?
    Yes, annual. The money will come from the various taxes and penalties built into the law.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Fair enough. No offense meant to you personally.

    Obama has four years of experience as the president of the United States. No governorship can remotely compare with that.
    So you voted for Bush One over Clinton, and W over Kerry?

    obviously experience meant nothing to you in 08 if you supported Obama since he had less experience than Hillary and a few decades less experience than McCain. Obama has proven himself a failure. Idiocy is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results. HOpe and Change sounded good to the low wattage masses but Obama has proven he was not up to the job

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    So you voted for Bush One over Clinton, and W over Kerry?

    obviously experience meant nothing to you in 08 if you supported Obama since he had less experience than Hillary and a few decades less experience than McCain. Obama has proven himself a failure. Idiocy is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results. HOpe and Change sounded good to the low wattage masses but Obama has proven he was not up to the job
    Obviously you voted for Kerry in '04 after Bush proved himself a miserable failure?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, annual. The money will come from the various taxes and penalties built into the law.
    Taxes in the law? Who bears the burden of these taxes?

    Penalties? I was only aware of the mandate penalty which has been repeatedly argued would only affect very few. If such is so the revenue from these penalties would be insignificant as related to the benefit you claimed. Or are there other penalties that I am unaware of?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Obviously you voted for Kerry in '04 after Bush proved himself a miserable failure?


    That someone like you calls him a miserable failure is proof enough he was fairly successful in doing stuff I wanted.

    too much spending yes but Gorebot would have spent more, and jacked up taxes and the pooch would have been really screwed. and we'd have two more quota picks like Gagan or Quotamayor on the supreme court

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Taxes in the law? Who bears the burden of these taxes?

    Penalties? I was only aware of the mandate penalty which has been repeatedly argued would only affect very few. If such is so the revenue from these penalties would be insignificant as related to the benefit you claimed. Or are there other penalties that I am unaware of?

    I doubt that the Soros center for Obama campaign propaganda is going to provide him that sort of answer

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