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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well, so you are saying that yes, that tactic does work on you. If one party refuses to compromise, you will blame the other party. No?
    No, I blame both. Is it acceptable for the LEADER to just throw his hand up and run in the house crying 'they won't play with me'? Leaders LEAD!

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There's nothing personal about it. Why so butthurt?
    No butthurt...just trying to maintain civility...

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, I blame both. Is it acceptable for the LEADER to just throw his hand up and run in the house crying 'they won't play with me'? Leaders LEAD!
    You can't lead someone who's primary goal is to not follow. What he has done is attempt to accomplish as much as he can using the power of the presidency. And of course for that he is accused of being a dictator.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, I blame both. Is it acceptable for the LEADER to just throw his hand up and run in the house crying 'they won't play with me'? Leaders LEAD!
    He is, despite their obstruction. He got two supreme court justices on the court, he got healthcare reform passed, he got the payroll tax break through, he stood them down when they threatened to default, etc. What you're responding to isn't so much that he isn't leading, it is that they aren't following. And, especially when they openly declare that they're not going to follow no matter what because they want to undermine the president, you can't blame him for that.

    I mean, three times now they have filibustered a judicial nominee for more than a year who they ultimately unanimously confirmed. One of the three was previously Sarah Palin's pick for the Alaska Supreme Court. That is out of many dozens that they filibustered, those are just the most egregious ones. They basically just set the dial on "filibuster all" and went home for the session.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    So youre saying that a guy with decades in the private sector, a turn around of a multibillion dollar enterprise in the Olympic games, having to turn around a gigantic deficit in Mass., knows how the private sector works inside and out is only on par with Obama? Sorry that doesnt wash. Obama's inexperience in the private sector shows in how he approaches problems and how he looks for solutions, he believes the government is the solution every time. Thats why he needs to go.

    Get the memo Teamo, its not corporate raiding its equity investment----even Dems are saying so. Btw, what happens when equity investors dont invest in failing companies? Oh thats right...EVERYONE gets unemployed.

    Last, there are more than a few bills from the House sitting on Harry Reid's desk, I think the obstruction is on Dems, not the GOP.
    The last president we had with "with decades in the private sector "experience was Herbert Hoover and that didn't work work out all that well.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Fair enough. No offense meant to you personally.

    Obama has four years of experience as the president of the United States. No governorship can remotely compare with that.
    Now that I agree with.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Now that I agree with.
    Now that its a democrat in office you do. In 2004, not so much, Im betting.

    Im skeptical of the idea that an incumbent president has more relevant experience than anyone else. Its a self serving type of edict, one that is being employed as a shield for the gigantic lack of executive experience that Obama had before he became President. Agreed yes, he has experience now, no I do not agree that experience trumps anything else. The man has no clue how the private sector works and his insular inner circle doesnt have much private sector experience either, nor does his cabinet. Its telling that he thought previously the private sector was "fine".

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Now that its a democrat in office you do. In 2004, not so much, Im betting.

    Im skeptical of the idea that an incumbent president has more relevant experience than anyone else. Its a self serving type of edict, one that is being employed as a shield for the gigantic lack of executive experience that Obama had before he became President. Agreed yes, he has experience now, no I do not agree that experience trumps anything else. The man has no clue how the private sector works and his insular inner circle doesnt have much private sector experience either, nor does his cabinet. Its telling that he thought previously the private sector was "fine".
    No, I did. But that doesn't excuse all behavior. Bush lost his mind and invaded Iraq. Before that, there was a time I thought he had handled the intitial crisis well. But, he did lose his mind. And got worse as he went. That performance issue doesn't go away.

    And Romney's experience is troubling. He outsources well and cuts workers well. Not sure that is the experience we need. Just as democrats needed to do with Bush (and failed to do), you have to present someone better. Not sure your weak field did that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    kind of ironic that most of the people on this board are more concerned about the horse race, than the actual effectiveness of the policy. But this is why this country is going to ****, because of morons like you

    but, yeah, I know, it's the other side's fault....
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Fair enough. No offense meant to you personally.

    Obama has four years of experience as the president of the United States. No governorship can remotely compare with that.

    You must be a Dem political operative if you believe that 4 years of On The Job Training is enough to hold the office of POTUS. President Obama hasn't the cabapilities or skills to handle the job and it shows.

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