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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So you're using Romney to legitimize Obama? Maybe we should elect the teacher instead of settling for the student...

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    So you're using Romney to legitimize Obama? Maybe we should elect the teacher instead of settling for the student...
    Mostly we just think it's funny that you guys acted so mad about healthcare reform, then out of everybody in the world you could have chosen as your candidate, you picked one of the like 4 people in the world who has enacted exactly the same thing. Talk about eating crow... It just underscores what a shamble of random, pointless, anger the right has devolved into. It doesn't even seem to involve thinking at all any more. Just anger.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Mostly we just think it's funny that you guys acted so mad about healthcare reform, then out of everybody in the world you could have chosen as your candidate, you picked one of the like 4 people in the world who has enacted exactly the same thing. Talk about eating crow... It just underscores what a shamble of random, pointless, anger the right has devolved into. It doesn't even seem to involve thinking at all any more. Just anger.
    Rick Santorum was right about one (and only one) thing: if Republicans want to run against Obamacare, there is no worse person in the country to do it than Mitt Romney.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Rick Santorum was right about one (and only one) thing: if Republicans want to run against Obamacare, there is no worse person in the country to do it than Mitt Romney.
    perhaps only because so many people are ignorant of the tenth amendment

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Mostly we just think it's funny that you guys acted so mad about healthcare reform, then out of everybody in the world you could have chosen as your candidate, you picked one of the like 4 people in the world who has enacted exactly the same thing. Talk about eating crow... It just underscores what a shamble of random, pointless, anger the right has devolved into. It doesn't even seem to involve thinking at all any more. Just anger.
    You sir, have misjudged me. I harbor no anger over this. But to be sure many on ‘my side’ are angry, unjustly I believe. The PPACA was American politics at its zenith, no more no less. As to Romney my preference was Huntsman but I will choose Romney over Obama essentially due to his executive experience. I have and always will think governors make better presidents than legislators…but that’s my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    perhaps only because so many people are ignorant of the tenth amendment
    No, that's not the reason. Because Romney isn't JUST (two facedly) saying that it should be left to the states; he's also saying that the federal program, which is functionally almost identical to his, is a **** program on its merits. And he can't say a word about it without calling himself a dumbass.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, that's not the reason. Because Romney isn't JUST (two facedly) saying that it should be left to the states; he's also saying that the federal program, which is functionally almost identical to his, is a **** program on its merits. And he can't say a word about it without calling himself a dumbass.
    LOL thanks for the Paid Obama hackery on that. big difference between what a government of limited jurisdiction can and should do versus a state

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You sir, have misjudged me. I harbor no anger over this. But to be sure many on ‘my side’ are angry, unjustly I believe. The PPACA was American politics at its zenith, no more no less. As to Romney my preference was Huntsman but I will choose Romney over Obama essentially due to his executive experience. I have and always will think governors make better presidents than legislators…but that’s my opinion.
    Fair enough. No offense meant to you personally.

    Obama has four years of experience as the president of the United States. No governorship can remotely compare with that.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL thanks for the Paid Obama hackery on that. big difference between what a government of limited jurisdiction can and should do versus a state
    Thanks for another reasoning-free response. If the policy is unsound it's unsound at the state and federal level. If the mandate is a tax it's a tax at the state and federal level. Romney isn't just saying that the feds shouldn't do it; he's saying that his singular achievement as governor was stupid policy.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Fair enough. No offense meant to you personally.
    None taken and I’m sure you would rather me not stereotype you likewise with many on ‘the left’.

    Obama has four years of experience as the president of the United States. No governorship can remotely compare with that.
    True enough but I don’t feel three years equates to ~30 in the public/private sector. What does bother me about the President is his failure to find some way to ‘lead’. It is often espoused that those on the right (especially the TPers) will absolutely not yield but a good leader finds a way to make it happen. Reagan and O’Neil did, Clinton and Gingrich did (and I can think of no greater obnoxiously abstentious ‘righie’). Why can’t this President do it? I consider it his job. I believe there was little executive ‘experience’ attained in the first two years as his party held congress and no compromise was necessary.

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