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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Yahoo news isn't fair and balanced?

    Facts are facts. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings that people are exposing the truth about this fraud of a bill that rammed down the throats of the American Public against their will with shady reconciliation tactics. Next you'll be whining that Obamacare is about "Free HC for all" or some other such emotional nonsense.

    Obamacare is filled with 20 new taxes. It wasn't sold as a massive tax increase. You support passing legislation through deception? It's a bloated Big Government mess that is an absolute disaster. I love how hope and change junkies like you are trying to have the debate again that Obamacare is "deficit neutral", not filled with massive tax increases on the poor and middle class, and isn't a massive grab for more Centralized Power. You lost that debate back in 2010.

    Are you claiming that any source you use is going to be unbiased? Let's stop with the pretentious nonsense. You've been bleeting Ezra Klein and Daily Kos talking points all week.
    Yahoo is fine.....besides the fact that they are using an interview with a guy who lost is securities trading license for fraud. But even he makes clear that the tax increases fall predominately upon those making over $250K....which was known from the start.

    If you make under $250K and have even the most minimal of health insurance, this will not impact you negatively.

    The point still is that you claimed that "Factcheck.org" is a horrible LW source (it isn't) while continuing to promote the Grover Norquist view of the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Hey nice hyperbole guy

    Dems wage pressure campaign on Supreme Court over health ruling - The Hill's Healthwatch

    Not surprising to see a Socialist approve of thuggery and intimidation tactics in order to get their way politically.
    Nice acknowledgement of your own cluelessness. Maybe we should ask for a big sarcasm gif from the moderators so some folks could more readily grasp reality when their political opponents post a comment.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    LOL....your claim was that YOU would be taxed on the sale of your home, I showed you probably won't be.....and your defense is NOW to say you don't want to talk about your private life?


    Whatever Billy, self contradiction is your MO lately.

    Keep on trying, Gimmie. Did this type tactic work on the play ground for you.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It is amazing that for every FACT that you provide they have a spin that makes it OK, usually that it will effect only a "rich guy", corporation or business, as if those folks don't just pass along the costs of all taxes, fees and regulations as increased prices for the goods and services that they provide, sticking those at the bottom, consumers, with the REAL cost of all taxation. Fools on the left can never see this simple truth; the more that the gov't takes the less the little guy has UNLESS the gov't gives them some back. The goal of the left, in a democratic republic, is to have more tax benefit getting voters than tax payers, after that, the game of democracy is over.

    They have to spin it because they bought the whole ball of wax. But, IMO, everyone, that pays taxes, will have to chip in to pay for this whale. It's a TAX.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    That argument only applies to business, and the amount of the taxation to business is small in relation to the total economy along with the fact that the cost to consumers is spread out over a very wide area and time frame. Don't like the tax on tanning salons? Go outside and get a tan. Don't like the hike on cigarettes? Stop smoking. The direct effects of these increases are very small and are more than offset by the cost controls, increases in the size of insurance pools, etc.


    Keep on sippin' that Kool Aid, Gimmie.

    Are you trying to convince ttwtt or youself?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are paying for them now, before reform. I don't think this is wonderful, but keeping the status quo, where we're not only paying, but paying a lot, doesn't seem like something those worrying about paying for others should want to go back to.

    I believe you and I have posted about the scenerio of "Lucy/Charlie Brown/Football" before.

    President Obama said over and over and over this was not a TAX. And then his JD lawyers HAD TO ARGUE that it was a TAX to the Supremes, who ruled on the issue ONLY because it was a TAX.

    Now you want me to believe that I'm supposed to believe liars? It's a TAX. And the only way to pay for this monstrosity is to TAX those who pay taxes.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Keep on trying, Gimmie. Did this type tactic work on the play ground for you.
    It still works, you can't talk about your original point.

    Apparently you didn't learn your tactic fails on the playground.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I think the way to deal with Obamacare is to overwhelm it with increased costs for the federal govt. through states opting out. That forces the federal govt. to step in and the federal budget skyrockets.

    Maybe it would have been a better idea for President Obama to have proceeded incrementally.


    This could happen.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Did you know that Chief Justice Roberts only agreed with the decision because Obama threatened his children?

    I find this hard to believe.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives-Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Keep on sippin' that Kool Aid, Gimmie.

    Are you trying to convince ttwtt or youself?
    Is that it Billy, this is the extent of counter-argument?

    You are falling apart in front of everyone. Give it a rest.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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