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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't know why anyone would want to misrepresent themselves in this manner, unless they were seriously lacking in character in the first place. Do you?
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    I am the Lord, your God, and you shall have no other gods before me

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's not illegal for the same reason making any other self aggrandizing but relatively harmless claims about yourself isn't illegal. It would set a seriously bad precedent to criminalize such things.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    A nod from the Supreme Court is not necessary. Once these imposters are found out society shuns them. There is no worse coward than a person who falsely holds himself out to be a hero.

    While living in Florida there was a man who told everyone he was a former military officer, we found out he was not and confronted him, he then told the truth; he never served. He would get on base, as his car had a sticker which was reserved for officers from a previous owner and he would be saluted. He told us he took girl friends on base to impress them. He was older than most of us; he was in his 50's. After his confession he showed up at a party or two and then was never heard from again...

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    If certain medals & ribbons are made FOUO, it would seem you couldn't even wear them because no one has a "need to know" that you've earned them and/or you're making them "available to the general public" by wearing them.
    That would be to the discretion of the DOD at that point. They can make it a blanket need to know while still maintaining the requirement that it be under the control of the person it was issued to.
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    You'd also be possibly exacerbating the problem because, if the medals and ribbons are FOUO, then they can't be "posted on an uncontrolled website" so no one could know what they look like; an impostor wouldn't even need to procure a replica -- they could just make one up.
    1) The image of the medal is not FOUO, the actual medal is. Big difference. 2)When someone in the military sees someone wearing an non-existant medal, they simply call them out on it. Also, the erroneous citation would not be marked as FOUO. The way it is now, someone can simply go to the local Army/Navy Surplus and purchase a legitimate medal. They can then find a citation online, alter it, and no one can prove it isn't valid unless they do some serious leg work. With this system, when some guy shows up at the VFW with a Coke bottle cap bent into a medal and calls it the Libya Campaign Medal, he'll be out on his can with a quickness.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I almost agree with you, think I think of how impersonating a police officer is always a crime no matter if you're trying to get something out of it (legal fraud) or not. But being awarded the MOH in this country does brings advantages. People are eager to give you a job, or virtually anything because we revere our heroes. So claiming you are a MOH recipient when you are not - it's always fraud.

    I'd just as soon the penalty under law be the public posting of your name, picture and what medal you falsely claimed, repeated for months. Let nature take it's course.
    Actually lots of people wear police uniforms for costumes and never get into trouble. Not to mention when you roleplay in the bedro....umm...nvm!
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not to mention when you roleplay in the bedro....umm...nvm!
    That was awesome. Well played.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm the opposite: I feel pity, and then I get pissed.

    Most of these people are just...sad, but here's an example of a creep described as a "grifter" who has posed as a Navy SEAL on dating sites and who's now been busted for posing as a Victoria's Secret owner and raping a 15-year old:

    Creepy grifter forced teen to have sex after*threatening to post explicit pics of her: feds* - NY Daily News
    That's kind of a whole other level. We were talking about just lying about your acheivements via medals. Now that plus raping plus the raping of a minor? That's kind of another ballpark altogether. I don't have much pity for that.
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