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    The wearing of unearned medals really bugs me. If posing as a "hero" gets somebody off, well, that's pathetic but harmless (like, sigh, burning the flag). If gain is to be had, if it's a con, well, it's a con. How different is it than somebody posing as a banker or doctor? Just asking.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The wearing of unearned medals really bugs me. If posing as a "hero" gets somebody off, well, that's pathetic but harmless (like, sigh, burning the flag). If gain is to be had, if it's a con, well, it's a con. How different is it than somebody posing as a banker or doctor? Just asking.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    Does free speech include "hate speech"? It's illegal in Canada and some European countries. Before long it will be before the SC and it appears now that as Europe goes so goes America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yes, but there are most certainly many exceptions. Lying under oath, for example, is perjury and is a criminal offense. Lying to the SEC or FBI is a criminal offense, as Martha Stewart now knows. Lying to one's probation or parol officer is a criminal offense. The list goes on.

    The Metal of Honor opens so many national security doors, providing MOH winners access to Congressional halls, the WH, military bases, military and political functions, military tours, etc., that using a stolen MOH could be a national security issue, and it's most certainly fraud. Fraud is a criminal offense. That's why I'm leaning toward believing that SCOTUS should have upheld the law criminalizing this kind of fraud.
    This law was much broader than fraud, which is why it was struck down. Yes fraud should be illegal, but just lying about something that wouldn't be considered fraud otherwise should not be illegal in a country that has free speech.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    reprehensible speech - even when stealing valor - is protected speech
    roberts got this one right
    It's not speech, it's fraud.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    It's not speech, it's fraud.
    I don't think it's fraud unless you're getting something material by lying. And if you are, that's already illegal, because it's fraud.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I don't think it's fraud unless you're getting something material by lying. And if you are, that's already illegal, because it's fraud.

    But you are getting something material for it. The person that sparked this case was leveraging the respect from others for his lie, to gain a political seat. That seat comes with a salary, perks, and prestige. Most liars that claim something they are not like this are looking in some way to gain from it.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Everyone in this thread is a liar.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

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