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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    As one of the very few people here that has a Silver Star and a Congressional Medal Of Honor, I am shocked that anyone would make such ridiculous claims and potentially dilute my heroic status.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    As one of the very few people here that has a Silver Star and a Congressional Medal Of Honor, I am shocked that anyone would make such ridiculous claims and potentially dilute my heroic status.
    You know - my husband once knew a guy in the military who didn't deploy because he developed a serious health condition - he qualified for disability and he never left the states. Years later he died and my husband went to the funeral and at the wake he learned that the guy had made up all sorts of stuff about his 'injury in the service and horrific events he experienced while overseas' - his family kept asking my husband for 'more truth' and 'more details about what happened while he was deployed' - my husband actually did his best to not make the guy into an outright liar while not lying about anything himself. So he gave vague responses like well - it's just not something you can talk about, you know - it was so difficult for everyone in their own way. Things that bother me might not bother him - and so on . . . ec.

    I think he felt so embarrassed to just have had his certain health issues that if he made up a big story he'd look better or have more support from people.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I disagree. I feel the law as written was applied to broadly. If they limited it to only cases where lying about MOH were fraud I'd be alright with it. But when it criminalizes speech where there is no material gain, it overreaches.
    From my prospective (which is certainly not from a legal or constitutional background), there is material gain in perpetrating the fraud of being a MOH winner, because of the free access, free accommodations, and other free services offered to MOH winners. I saw a tv show about just such a guy, who used a fake MOH to gain access to tens of thousands of dollars worth of lifestyle enhancements. That's fraud.

    I'm not overly upset by this ruling. I just believe that it is indeed fraudulent, and the person does indeed receive personal gain from the fraud.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    From my prospective (which is certainly not from a legal or constitutional background), there is material gain in perpetrating the fraud of being a MOH winner, because of the free access, free accommodations, and other free services offered to MOH winners. I saw a tv show about just such a guy, who used a fake MOH to gain access to tens of thousands of dollars worth of lifestyle enhancements. That's fraud.

    I'm not overly upset by this ruling. I just believe that it is indeed fraudulent, and the person does indeed receive personal gain from the fraud.
    Not fraud; it's stupidity, and i don't care for my gubment subsidizing it via judicial legislation.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    I think they made the right decision. This is kind of like the Westboro Baptist Church stuff. Yes, it's despicable, but that's what free speech is about.

    Although in this case, it's kind of hard to take advantage of, since I would imagine in a lot of cases if you lied about being a soldier to gain some sort of benefit (other than respect you didn't earn), that would be fraud, and you could still be prosecuted for it.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Proper, and good ruling. Free speech, even when it's vile should always be upheld.
    I respectfully disagree. With rights come responsibilities. The first amendment does not give you the right to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. Yes, there ARE limits to rights. The question is how much should those limits be?
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Nothing is protected. Everything is exposed.
    Oops, sorry about that.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    reprehensible speech - even when stealing valor - is protected speech
    roberts got this one right
    So is lying in all cases protected via the first amendment IYO?
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    As one of the very few people here that has a Silver Star and a Congressional Medal Of Honor, I am shocked that anyone would make such ridiculous claims and potentially dilute my heroic status.
    As the only member of DP who has the Medal of Flatulence, I am offended by your statement.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    As the only member of DP who has the Medal of Flatulence, I am offended by your statement.
    We all applaud you for throwing your body on that mouse fart to protect your dumpster Fritos!
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