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Not really, they could have been stopped at the border and arrested for exporting firearms without a license or permit, a felony.

So Arizona is playing a game of chicken with the Feds? They sell as many guns as they can and dare the Feds to stop them at the border? That is a ludicrous policy.
 
Are you saying our Government can't even control our airspace along the border either? Both the Border and the airspace are the sole responsibility of the Federal Government who has yet again dropped the ball then blames the states. The Obama administration not only knew about the straw buyers gun purchases but purposely allowed them to cross the border with them.

That's right, I'm saying that the government will never be able to completely seal off the border. East Germany put up a 30', barbed wire topped wall manned with machine gunners and they couldn't completely seal their border.
 
That's right, I'm saying that the government will never be able to completely seal off the border. East Germany put up a 30', barbed wire topped wall manned with machine gunners and they couldn't completely seal their border.

I guarantee no one ever carried 100 assault rifles at a time across the Berlin Wall either. The point is the Obama administration purposely allowed them cross over into Mexico with them. You seem to forget the gun dealers were being told to allow the straw man purchases.

Mexico demands extradition of U.S. officials

July 5, 2011

Fast & Furious: Mexico says extradite U.S. officials to face trial as gunrunners.

Mexico lawmakers demand extradition of U.S. officials, outraged over an Obama federal program allowing drug cartels to buy guns in Arizona, called "Operation Fast and Furious,"reports Fox News Tuesday morning.

"Imagine, if the Mexican government purposely and knowingly sent thousands of pounds of pure cocaine into the United States as part of an investigation - and hundreds of Americans died as a result. That is how Mexico feels right now over "Operation Fast and Furious". Angry, betrayed by the U.S.

21 dead in New Mexico, according to sources the guns recovered came compliments of the U.S. government."

Fast & Furious: Mexico says extradite U.S. officials to face trial as gunrunners - National Political Transcripts | Examiner.com

I hope they turn them over to Mexico and let them put them on trial.
 
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I guarantee no one ever carried 100 assault rifles at a time across the Berlin Wall either. The point is the Obama administration purposely allowed them cross over into Mexico with them. You seem to forget the gun dealers were being told to allow the straw man purchases.



I hope they turn them over to Mexico and let them put them on trial.

The gun buyers signed the paper that said the guns were for them and that's all the dealers needed to be totally legal. THe govt. did not tell any dealers to break any laws. The sales would have happened exactly the same without any F&F. Change the laws and prohibit volume gun buying if you really give a damn about American guns in the hands of criminals. Do you? I doubt it.
 
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The gun buyers signed the paper that said the guns were for them and that's all the dealers needed to be totally legal. THe govt. did not tell any dealers to break any laws. The sales would have happened exactly the same without any F&F. Change the laws and prohibit volume gun buying if you really give a damn about American guns in the hands of criminals. Do you? I doubt it.

The straw buyer was stopped at the Mexican border with the weapons he purchased but ordered let go by the ATF, with the very guns used to kill Agent Brian Terry.

ATF’s Fast and Furious: A Gun Store Owner Speaks Out

by Gretchen Gavett

A Phoenix-area gun dealer recently opened up about his role in Operation Fast and Furious, the now-infamous ATF gunrunning sting gone horribly wrong.

“Was I betrayed? Absolutely yes,” Andre Howard told the Los Angeles Times about his experience cooperating with ATF agents.

The deal: Howard would sell weapons illegally and the ATF would track them as part of their sting. He sold hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of weapons over 15 months but never heard about any arrests. Howard says he feared that someone might get hurt:

“Every passing week, I worried about something like that,” he said. “I felt horrible and sick.”

Howard’s worst fears came true last December, when two AK-47 variants he sold were found at a crime scene in Mexico near where U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was found dead. The Times also reports that the straw buyer in the case, Jaime Avila, was stopped with weapons at the Mexico border, but ordered released by the ATF with the hope they could trace the weapons to Mexican drug cartels.

To date, more than 100 guns have found in Mexico have been traced to Fast and Furious; according to a congressional report and Arizona’s ABC affiliate, several are Romarm Cugir AK-47 variants similar to the ones we profiled during our Gunrunners investigation. These weapons have become the “scourge” of the Mexican drug war.

ATF’s Fast and Furious: A Gun Store Owner Speaks Out | Criminal Justice | FRONTLINE | PBS

Mexico wants the U.S. officials extradited to Mexico, I say give 'em a chance to turn over information and testify, if they don't send 'em to Mexico for trail.
 
So Arizona is playing a game of chicken with the Feds? They sell as many guns as they can and dare the Feds to stop them at the border? That is a ludicrous policy.

Oh please the sales were at the behest of the Feds. The straw buyer Jamie Avilia was stopped at the border with the guns used to killed Border Agent Terry, the ATF order them to let him go with the guns. We need to start with those folks who gave those orders. If they protect their higher ups, off to Mexico to stand trial.
 
The straw buyer was stopped at the Mexican border with the weapons he purchased but ordered let go by the ATF, with the very guns used to kill Agent Brian Terry.

I believe that is false. ATF was informed of Avila's legal gun purchases by the gun seller (voluntarily -- not because it was required), but it was a federal holiday and they didn't learn of the purchase until the guns were already in Mexico. They recorded the serial numbers of the guns anyway, and one of them turned up at the Terry murder scene.

Previously ATF had sought to indict Avila, but prosecutors refused to authorize it because they said there was insufficient evidence (the obvserved gun purchases were legal under Arizona law).

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features
 
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but it was a federal holiday and they didn't learn of the purchase until the guns were already in Mexico.

So as long as it's a federal holiday, criminals are good to go, no worries. Bizarre excuse making.

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but prosecutors refused to authorize it because they said there was insufficient evidence (the obvserved gun purchases were legal under Arizona law).

It doesn't matter if purchases are legal or illegal, running the guns across the boarder is illegal, and the federal governments job to stop. More excuse making for a failed federal government.
 
So as long as it's a federal holiday, criminals are good to go, no worries. Bizarre excuse making.

Uh, it's a description of what apparently happened -- not excuse making. Hard to tell border patrol to let the guns walk if you don't even know that they've been sold. :roll:
 
Seems to be more of them not liking his crackdown on voter suppression laws than anything else :shrug:

Like when he prosecuted the Philly Panthers for voter intimidation. Oh...wait...!
 
Like when he prosecuted the Philly Panthers for voter intimidation. Oh...wait...!
He prosecuted one of them.

Does such propaganda as you posted make it thru unchallenged at the Sean Hannity forum? :2razz:
 
[...] with the very guns used to kill Agent Brian Terry.
This lie has been told so many times that even those repeating it surely can't believe it :roll:
 
I believe that is false. ATF was informed of Avila's legal gun purchases by the gun seller (voluntarily -- not because it was required), but it was a federal holiday and they didn't learn of the purchase until the guns were already in Mexico. They recorded the serial numbers of the guns anyway, and one of them turned up at the Terry murder scene. Previously ATF had sought to indict Avila, but prosecutors refused to authorize it because they said there was insufficient evidence (the obvserved gun purchases were legal under Arizona law). The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features

You can believe what ever you want, your article says nothing about being stopped at the border like the Los Angeles Times reported. Besides January 15 was a Friday in 2010 and the holiday was celebrated Monday when the offices would be closed. That means they would have been notified on Friday when the offices "should" have been open, so what happened on that business day? Besides why would I believe cheap excuses from an author who's Obama's biggest shill? Try something from an independent source like the LA Times who is left wing by the way.

Sometime in spring or early summer 2010 — the exact date is unknown — U.S. immigration officers reportedly stopped Avila at the Arizona border with the two semiautomatics and 30 other weapons. According to two sources close to a congressional investigation into Fast and Furious, the authorities checked with the ATF and were told to release him with the weapons because the ATF was still hoping to track the guns to cartel members.

Fast and Furious: Gun store owner opens up - Los Angeles Times
A blog shill for Obama is hardly a reliable source.
 
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A blog shill for Obama is hardly a reliable source.

You realize that the source for the LA Times claim was Chuck Grassley's office, right? :lol:
 
Seems to be more of them not liking his crackdown on voter suppression laws than anything else :shrug:

I never thought that anyone would be dim and gulible enough to believe Nancy Pelosi.
 
I never thought that anyone would be dim and gulible enough to believe Nancy Pelosi.
There are worse sins -- many believe the GOP talking points, which have been debunked time and time again.
 
There are worse sins -- many believe the GOP talking points, which have been debunked time and time again.

Which GOP talking points are you refering to and just how were they debunked?
 
sure squelched holder's activities against GOP manipulation [/s]
Holder on Texas voter ID law: ‘We call those poll taxes’ | The Raw Story
... “As many of you know, yesterday was the first day in the trial of a case that the state of Texas filed against the Justice Department under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act seeking approval of it’s proposed voter ID law,” Holder told attendees at the 103rd convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). “After close review, the department found that this law would be harmful to minority voters and we rejected its implementation.”
“Under the proposed law, concealed handgun licenses would be acceptable forms of photo ID, but student IDs would not,” the attorney general pointed out. “Many of those without IDs would have to travel great distances to get them. And some would struggle to pay for the documents they might need to obtain them.”
“We call those poll taxes,” Holder added, reportedly straying from his prepared remarks. ...
bam
finally a sign of backbone from the Obama administration
what took so long?
 
Hey, holder plays the race card. Now that's something new. :roll:
appears he is not adverse to opposing racists who would deny the vote to minorities
 
Yes, you are beating the broken drum...

just pointing out that the attorney general of the United States of America feels the need to intercede in tejas to preserve the vote for minorities
recognize that is a fact you do not like
not that minorities are being denies their vote
but that the attorney general is doing something about it
 
just pointing out that the attorney general of the United States of America feels the need to intercede in tejas to preserve the vote for minorities
recognize that is a fact you do not like
not that minorities are being denies their vote
but that the attorney general is doing something about it

A little secret about life, since you don't seem to have this bit of knowledge: Repeating BS over and over again, doesn't make it true.
 
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