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House holds holder in contempt [W:140

Eighty Deuce said:
Nailed it Pea. They don't give a crap it it was 1000 Mexicans and 50 American agents dead.

"O-ba-ma", and the free stuff he is to deliver, is all that matters.
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It's actually FIFTY THOUSAND Mexicans who have been massacred in these cartel battles, no doubt thousands by American guns, but you don't give jack **** about that. THAT is what this ATF operation was about: trying to put a suture on that sucking chest wound. But all you cons care about is some whacko conspiracy theory about Obama trying to take your blessed guns.

So here's a question: if this was really about an attempt by Obama to shut down gun sales by tying US guns to Mexican murders, and US guns WERE tied to Mexican murders ... why was there never even a whiff of an attempt by Obama to restrict gun sales?! Isn't it a bit difficult to maintain a conspiracy theory when the object of the alleged conspiracy never occurred?
 
AdamT said:
It's actually FIFTY THOUSAND Mexicans who have been massacred in these cartel battles, no doubt thousands by American guns, but you don't give jack **** about that. THAT is what this ATF operation was about: trying to put a suture on that sucking chest wound. But all you cons care about is some whacko conspiracy theory about Obama trying to take your blessed guns.

So here's a question: if this was really about an attempt by Obama to shut down gun sales by tying US guns to Mexican murders, and US guns WERE tied to Mexican murders ... why was there never even a whiff of an attempt by Obama to restrict gun sales?! Isn't it a bit difficult to maintain a conspiracy theory when the object of the alleged conspiracy never occurred?
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Ypo'll need to ask Obama why he never secured the border.
 
Prof. Peabody said:
At current TV, Al Gore's cable network? Are you serious?
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Nevermind that I prefaced it as being left. You can watch the video and learn something... or even if you are more knowledgable on the topic than he is, debunk him?
 
poweRob said:
You're not jumping to conclusions? My arse you aren't. Not only are you convicting Holder and the Obama administration in this thread, you went even further to condemn those who don't agree with you as not giving a **** about the murders and then made that idiotic karma comment as some kind of conclusive sealer.

You've long jumped off the jumping to conclusions bridge.
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All he has to do is release ALL the documents. It's really very simple.



Where's the transparency on Fast & Furious? Will ya'all hold him accountable?
 
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AdamT said:
It's actually FIFTY THOUSAND Mexicans who have been massacred in these cartel battles, no doubt thousands by American guns, but you don't give jack **** about that. THAT is what this ATF operation was about: trying to put a suture on that sucking chest wound. But all you cons care about is some whacko conspiracy theory about Obama trying to take your blessed guns.

So here's a question: if this was really about an attempt by Obama to shut down gun sales by tying US guns to Mexican murders, and US guns WERE tied to Mexican murders ... why was there never even a whiff of an attempt by Obama to restrict gun sales?! Isn't it a bit difficult to maintain a conspiracy theory when the object of the alleged conspiracy never occurred?
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That post is so full of **** that I had to grab a roll of toilet paper just to read it all.

You don't hold a candle to me, much less ponder what I do not give "jack ****" about. Go by what I say, or STFU.

Show us all where this operation put even one suture on anything. What it did, by the facts, is take a failed program and repeat it only worse. And many times larger.

And do us both a favor and don't talk about me again. I **** better.
 
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Prof. Peabody said:
All he has to do is release ALL the documents. It's really very simple.
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It's simple huh? No agents and undercover agents currently in the field on current investigations could possibly be harmed if we just simply release ALL the documents? And you yourself assure us all of it? I thought you were supposed to have cared more about the agents than me.
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, and while I'm a it I'll ask the other 43 presidents.
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Ah, I see you passed right over the real definition of EP and it's scope. Figures.
 
poweRob said:
Nevermind that I prefaced it as being left. You can watch the video and learn something... or even if you are more knowledgable on the topic than he is, debunk him?
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I make it a policy of not watching crapola from left wing kook sites.
 
Prof. Peabody said:
I make it a policy of not watching crapola from left wing kook sites.
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yep...

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LOL! It's actually a breakdown of who did what. I'm sure that's not as important to you as trashing Obama as you are practically admitting with this post.
 
poweRob said:
It's simple huh? No agents and undercover agents currently in the field on current investigations could possibly be harmed if we just simply release ALL the documents? And you yourself assure us all of it? I thought you were supposed to have cared more about the agents than me.
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They have a wonderful method called redaction of personal information.
 
poweRob said:
It's simple huh? No agents and undercover agents currently in the field on current investigations could possibly be harmed if we just simply release ALL the documents? And you yourself assure us all of it? I thought you were supposed to have cared more about the agents than me.
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If you have a son, or grandson, that wants to get into the Border Patrol, or other law enforcement vocations, then we would hope that he is never exposed to the complete stupidity and disregard for our fundamnetal mores as Obama and Holder thought they could trash.

Why are you so afraid of documents ?
 
Prof. Peabody said:
They have a wonderful method called redaction of personal information.
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And of course you'd breath easy the second he handed over page after page of blacked out documents ala Bush style. You'd just sit back all content and everytihng and not bitch one iota about the redactions. LOL

man the partisanship is so pervasive.
 
Prof. Peabody said:
They have a wonderful method called redaction of personal information.
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It seems they forget that the documents are going to a limited number of people in congress, not to the public, as well as the redaction thing. Clearly a lack of understanding of the process.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
If you have a son, or grandson, that wants to get into the Border Patrol, or other law enforcement vocations, then we would hope that he is never exposed to the complete stupidity and disregard for our fundamnetal mores as Obama and Holder thought they could trash.

Why are you so afraid of documents ?
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I'm not afraid of the documents. Just don't want to divulge agents in the field and put the in peril. You know... like a Valerie Plame thing that you guys were so concerned about. oh wait...

I'm clearly not as afraid of the documents as you two are of watching that video I posted.
 
Arbo said:
It seems they forget that the documents are going to a limited number of people in congress, not to the public, as well as the redaction thing. Clearly a lack of understanding of the process.
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Clearly the best use of our law enforcement officers' time is going through 80,000 pages with an El Marko. And Lord knows no one in Congress has ever leaked confidential information.
 
poweRob said:
For those of you who want to learn more about the Fast & Furious thing that went down instead of just trying to score political points, Cenk Uygur did a pretty good in depth reporting on whose who and what went down. He's a hard lefty but makes a good case in his reporting.

video at the link
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How did Fortune magazine get its hands on 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents? Is the administration leaking again? And what is the value of 2,000 pages when Holder has said his agency has generated 140,000 documents on Fast and Furious? And why believe a political article that came out of a magazine owned by Time/Warner?
 
poweRob said:
It's actually a breakdown of who did what. I'm sure that's not as important to you as trashing Obama as you are practically admitting with this post.
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According to WHO? I always trash Obama and always with good reason. Just release the documents, ALL the documents.



Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant, so why is Barry violating that promise?
 
poweRob said:
I'm not afraid of the documents. Just don't want to divulge agents in the field and put the in peril. You know... like a Valerie Plame thing that you guys were so concerned about. oh wait...

I'm clearly not as afraid of the documents as you two are of watching that video I posted.
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From dumb to dumber.

As for the Fortune article, which is long, this is what it shows. The the local ATF were powerless to prosecute. They let the gun sales occur, They set it all up. They did everything they could to set cases up for prosecution. They were ready to bust multiple folks this side of the border.

And Justice said "Nope".

Holder and the DoJ are guilty as sin. They used the ATF like cannon fodder.
 
jerry7 said:
How did Fortune magazine get its hands on 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents? Is the administration leaking again? And what is the value of 2,000 pages when Holder has said his agency has generated 140,000 documents on Fast and Furious? And why believe a political article that came out of a magazine owned by Time/Warner?
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Apparently 2000 pages was enought to provide a far better understanding than Issa has managed to put together from 8000 pages. And Holder did NOT say that there were 140,000 pages of relevant information. He said they reviewed that many pages LOOKING for relevant information.
 
AdamT said:
Clearly the best use of our law enforcement officers' time is going through 80,000 pages with an El Marko. And Lord knows no one in Congress has ever leaked confidential information.
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Oh, yeah, rather that prosecute the leakers, let's just never, ever, ever, ever, let congress do their investigational duties again. :roll:
 
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