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House holds holder in contempt [W:140

AdamT said:
The weapons weren't allowed to illegally cross the border. Thanks to Arizona's insanely lax gun laws, ATF had no legal grounds to interdict them.
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There are plenty of sources that prove you wrong, and I'm sure you know that. Why make stuff up?


The tactic of letting guns walk, rather than interdicting them and arresting the buyers, led to controversy within the ATF.[5][33] As the case continued, several members of Group VII, including John Dodson and Olindo Casa, became increasingly upset at the tactic of allowing guns to walk. Their standard Project Gunrunner training was to follow the straw purchasers to the hand-off to the cartel buyers, then arrest both parties and seize the guns. But according to Dodson, they watched guns being bought illegally and stashed on a daily basis, while their supervisors, including David Voth and Hope MacAllister, prevented the agents from intervening.[3]
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ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As a result, this report tells the story of how misguided gunwalking operations originated in 2006 as ATF’s Phoenix Field Division devised a strategy to forgo prosecutions against low level straw purchasers while they attempted to build bigger charges against higher-level cartel members. Unfortunately, this strategy failed to include sufficient operational controls to stop these dangerous weapons from getting into the hands of violent criminals, creating a danger to public safety on both sides of the border.
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Report of the Minority Staff
Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, Ranking Member
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
U.S. House of Representatives
January 2012
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http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/images/stories/minority_report_13112.pdf
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Well, at least one branch of the government got something right today.

House holds Holder in contempt - CNN.com
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Eric Holder is no friend to the citizens of Arizona.

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AdamT said:
Thanks for the bumper sticker. But if Arizona had stricter gun laws -- like not allowing unlimited same-day purchases, the ATF would at least have a fighting chance.
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Yeah, because drug dealers go to Wal-Mart and buy guns.
 
AdamT said:
Thanks for the bumper sticker. But if Arizona had stricter gun laws -- like not allowing unlimited same-day purchases, the ATF would at least have a fighting chance.
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That's pretty ignorant. Federal laws that prevent gun trafficking across the boarder take precedent over any state laws. Stop making excuses for Obama's administration that you wouldn't make for Bush's....
 
This is silly. F&F was a monumental ****-up of unprecedented proportions. Heads should have rolled on that one, even Holder's. Obama should have fired him on the spot. Although Holder should have lost his job over this fiasco, he should not be criminally prosecuted.

Issa is a power-mad politician looking to get his name in the history books the only way he knows how... by blowing a complete screw up into literally "a federal case" uring an election year.

Holder is just a bumbling, underqualified asshole... like all too many high-level political appointments.
 
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DiAnna said:
This is silly. F&F was a monumental ****-up of unprecedented proportions. Heads should have rolled on that one, even Holder's. Obama should have fired him on the spot. Although Holder should have lost his job over this fiasco, he should not be criminally prosecuted.

Issa is a power-mad politician looking to get his name in the history books the only way he knows how... by blowing a complete screw up into literally "a federal case" uring an election year.

Holder is just a bumbling, underqualified asshole... like all too many high-level political appointments.
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I would say Issa had to do what he did due to the first part of your statement. No?
 
DiAnna said:
This is silly. F&F was a monumental ****-up of unprecedented proportions. Heads should have rolled on that one, even Holder's. Obama should have fired him on the spot. Although Holder should have lost his job over this fiasco, he should not be criminally prosecuted.

Issa is a power-mad politician looking to get his name in the history books the only way he knows how... by blowing a complete screw up into literally "a federal case" uring an election year.

Holder is just a bumbling, underqualified asshole... like all too many high-level political appointments.
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Did one person write the 1st and 3rd paragraph, and then like their alter ego write the one in the middle ?

Cause that's the only explanation that makes any sense. And the middle writer is fubar, btw.
 

17 D' & all R's fear the NRA & depend on NRA $$$. :peace
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060635691 said:
The 255-67 vote to hold Holder in contempt sends a pretty firm message that he needs to comply with the Congressional committee's requests.

Seventeen democrats in the House seem to agree. :tomatofac
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AdamT said:
Of course it's the presidents prerogative to invoke EP, just as it's Congress' to try to overreach. Ultimately they either work it out or the courts decide.
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There's precedent to where the line is drawn. Obama just reached way beyond that line.

You folks are killing the host.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I would say Issa had to do what he did due to the first part of your statement. No?
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He had the right to hold congressional hearings on the matter. However, the way he conducted himself as chair of those hearings left much to be desired. :lol: Once Obama invoked EP, I think he basically threw a major temper tantrum and was determined to regain control.

I predict Holder will never see the inside of a courtroom. Once November has come and gone, this will IMHO quietly drift away. Meanwhile, Obama not only screwed the pooch by not cutting Holder loose after the F&F fiasco (I mean, what the hell was Obama thinking??), he has now attached Holder to his own left hip because he cannot replace him now without making himself look like a completely ineffectual and indecisive leader who has been cowed by the opposition into abandoning his guy.

Not that I care what happens to Holder, mind you. I just think with wars, rumors of wars, in the middle of a global fiscal crisis and our own economic depression, it pisses me off that congress is less interested in passing legislation to stimulate jobs and the economy rather than spending millions going after a second-rate cabinet head.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Did one person write the 1st and 3rd paragraph, and then like their alter ego write the one in the middle ?

Cause that's the only explanation that makes any sense. And the middle writer is fubar, btw.
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Perhaps this made sense to you. However, it made no sense to me.
 
DiAnna said:
He had the right to hold congressional hearings on the matter. However, the way he conducted himself as chair of those hearings left much to be desired. :lol: Once Obama invoked EP, I think he basically threw a major temper tantrum and was determined to regain control.

I predict Holder will never see the inside of a courtroom. Once November has come and gone, this will IMHO quietly drift away. Meanwhile, Obama not only screwed the pooch by not cutting Holder loose after the F&F fiasco (I mean, what the hell was Obama thinking??), he has now attached Holder to his own left hip because he cannot effectively replace him now without making himself look like a completely ineffectual and indecisive leader.

Not that I care what happens to Holder, mind you. I just think with wars, rumors of wars, in the middle of a global fiscal crisis and our own economic depression, it pisses me off that congress is less interested in passing legislation to stimulate jobs and the economy rather than spending millions going after a second-rate cabinet head.
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Well, the House passed a bill right after the contempt vote to try him in civil court vice criminal court. That allows them to hire a special prosecutor and avoid using a US Attorney. A smart move IMO.
 

That & suing Az. for the Papers Please Law, refusing to prosecute DOMA, being AG while Black. :2wave: :peace
Your Star said:
Seems to be more of them not liking his crackdown on voter suppression laws than anything else :shrug:
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Democrats want to turn this into a racial matter.
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Funny, you and one other right winger in this thread seem to be playing the race-card in this topic. Go figure.
 
DiAnna said:
Perhaps this made sense to you. However, it made no sense to me.
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Well, lemme take a little more time. When the AG is as screwed up as you say, we all need to scream at the top of our lungs.

If the top cop is as incompetent as you say, then should not the top over-sight be jumping out of their shoes ?

Or do we all just move along ?

FYI. Not me. And millions like me. Its a "cold dead fingers" thing.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Well, the House passed a bill right after the contempt vote to try him in civil court vice criminal court. That allows them to hire a special prosecutor and avoid using a US Attorney. A smart move IMO.
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Yeah, it's brilliant. Screw the Constitutition, screw governing, lets go on the partisan witchhunt . Sad.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
What about the death of Brian Terry? Don't the Democrats care about his death from a weapon that was part of Fast and Furious?
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The propaganda train keeps on a-rollin', all night long . . . . . . . . keeps on a-rollin', all night long
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jpevans said:

17 D' & all R's fear the NRA & depend on NRA $$$. :peace
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Fear the NRA? Conspiracy, anyone?

Using that logic then George Soros must control Obama's illegal immigration policy.

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Eighty Deuce said:
Well, lemme take a little more time. When the AG is as screwed up as you say, we all need to scream at the top of our lungs.

If the top cop is as incompetent as you say, then should not the top over-sight be jumping out of their shoes ?

Or do we all just move along ?

FYI. Not me. And millions like me. Its a "cold dead fingers" thing.
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Ah. I get it now. You are not used to seeing someone who recognizes stupidity on both sides, and comments about stupidity on both sides. That is a previlege reserved for those of us who are not commanded to read a party platform to decide what we think. :lol:
 
DiAnna said:
Ah. I get it now. You are not used to seeing someone who recognizes stupidity on both sides, and comments about stupidity on both sides. That is a previlege reserved for those of us who are not commanded to read a party platform to decide what we think. :lol:
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right on sista girl.
 
DiAnna said:
Ah. I get it now. You are not used to seeing someone who recognizes stupidity on both sides, and comments about stupidity on both sides. That is a previlege reserved for those of us who are not commanded to read a party platform to decide what we think. :lol:
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Actually, I am very used to identifying stupid people. Occams Razor won out again .... ;)
 
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