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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Seems to be more of them not liking his crackdown on voter suppression laws than anything else
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The weapons weren't allowed to illegally cross the border. Thanks to Arizona's insanely lax gun laws, ATF had no legal grounds to interdict them.
    There are plenty of sources that prove you wrong, and I'm sure you know that. Why make stuff up?


    The tactic of letting guns walk, rather than interdicting them and arresting the buyers, led to controversy within the ATF.[5][33] As the case continued, several members of Group VII, including John Dodson and Olindo Casa, became increasingly upset at the tactic of allowing guns to walk. Their standard Project Gunrunner training was to follow the straw purchasers to the hand-off to the cartel buyers, then arrest both parties and seize the guns. But according to Dodson, they watched guns being bought illegally and stashed on a daily basis, while their supervisors, including David Voth and Hope MacAllister, prevented the agents from intervening.[3]


    ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As a result, this report tells the story of how misguided gunwalking operations originated in 2006 as ATF’s Phoenix Field Division devised a strategy to forgo prosecutions against low level straw purchasers while they attempted to build bigger charges against higher-level cartel members. Unfortunately, this strategy failed to include sufficient operational controls to stop these dangerous weapons from getting into the hands of violent criminals, creating a danger to public safety on both sides of the border.
    Report of the Minority Staff
    Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, Ranking Member
    Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
    U.S. House of Representatives
    January 2012

    http://democrats.oversight.house.gov...port_13112.pdf
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    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post

    Well, at least one branch of the government got something right today.

    House holds Holder in contempt - CNN.com
    Eric Holder is no friend to the citizens of Arizona.


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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Thanks for the bumper sticker. But if Arizona had stricter gun laws -- like not allowing unlimited same-day purchases, the ATF would at least have a fighting chance.
    Yeah, because drug dealers go to Wal-Mart and buy guns.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Thanks for the bumper sticker. But if Arizona had stricter gun laws -- like not allowing unlimited same-day purchases, the ATF would at least have a fighting chance.
    That's pretty ignorant. Federal laws that prevent gun trafficking across the boarder take precedent over any state laws. Stop making excuses for Obama's administration that you wouldn't make for Bush's....
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    This is silly. F&F was a monumental ****-up of unprecedented proportions. Heads should have rolled on that one, even Holder's. Obama should have fired him on the spot. Although Holder should have lost his job over this fiasco, he should not be criminally prosecuted.

    Issa is a power-mad politician looking to get his name in the history books the only way he knows how... by blowing a complete screw up into literally "a federal case" uring an election year.

    Holder is just a bumbling, underqualified asshole... like all too many high-level political appointments.
    Last edited by DiAnna; 06-28-12 at 09:32 PM.

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This is silly. F&F was a monumental ****-up of unprecedented proportions. Heads should have rolled on that one, even Holder's. Obama should have fired him on the spot. Although Holder should have lost his job over this fiasco, he should not be criminally prosecuted.

    Issa is a power-mad politician looking to get his name in the history books the only way he knows how... by blowing a complete screw up into literally "a federal case" uring an election year.

    Holder is just a bumbling, underqualified asshole... like all too many high-level political appointments.
    I would say Issa had to do what he did due to the first part of your statement. No?
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This is silly. F&F was a monumental ****-up of unprecedented proportions. Heads should have rolled on that one, even Holder's. Obama should have fired him on the spot. Although Holder should have lost his job over this fiasco, he should not be criminally prosecuted.

    Issa is a power-mad politician looking to get his name in the history books the only way he knows how... by blowing a complete screw up into literally "a federal case" uring an election year.

    Holder is just a bumbling, underqualified asshole... like all too many high-level political appointments.
    Did one person write the 1st and 3rd paragraph, and then like their alter ego write the one in the middle ?

    Cause that's the only explanation that makes any sense. And the middle writer is fubar, btw.

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    17 D' & all R's fear the NRA & depend on NRA $$$.

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The 255-67 vote to hold Holder in contempt sends a pretty firm message that he needs to comply with the Congressional committee's requests.

    Seventeen democrats in the House seem to agree.

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Of course it's the presidents prerogative to invoke EP, just as it's Congress' to try to overreach. Ultimately they either work it out or the courts decide.
    There's precedent to where the line is drawn. Obama just reached way beyond that line.

    You folks are killing the host.

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