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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The weapons weren't allowed to illegally cross the border. Thanks to Arizona's insanely lax gun laws, ATF had no legal grounds to interdict them.
    Gun laws merely regulate the individuals trying to legally own them. Criminals that want guns will get them no matter how many or how little gun laws there are.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I think what he means is that President Obama has now brought himself into question becuase there is only two reasons I can think of that he would do this A) His name is involved (I don't believe that personally) B) He is playing politics and interfering with a Congressional investigation. President Obama rails against the Congress about "getting nothing done" and then, when they are getting something done, he shoots it down because he doesn't like it.
    C) it's his constitutional responsibility to safeguard the independence of the executive branch from legislative branch overreaching.
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    The 17 Dems that voted with Republicans must be racist crackers.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The weapons weren't allowed to illegally cross the border. Thanks to Arizona's insanely lax gun laws, ATF had no legal grounds to interdict them.
    CBS, among others, reported months ago that ATF agents testified that they were ordered by their superiors to allow the weapons to cross. This was a federal plan, Arizona laws did not apply. The Mexican government was and still is outraged that the weapons were allowed to cross without their knowledge and cooperation. Prior to the implementation of operation Wide Receiver during the Bush administration the Mexican government's cooperation was enlisted as their agents were the ones who followed the weapons to the cartels. US agents were not allowed to cross the border to pursue. The Obama administration never coordinated with the Mexicans. US agents are not allowed to violate Mexican soverignity so how were they ever going to follow the weapons? This is one of many unanswered questions.
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    The Office of Mexico's Attorney General has issued strong, new comments in response to ATF Gunwalking allegations exposed in an ongoing CBS News investigation.


    As we have reported, agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms say over the course of a year and a half, superiors ordered them to allow thousands of weapons to cross into Mexico as part of a failed plan to gain intelligence and take down a major drug cartel.


    Over the weekend, the Mexican attorney general stated: "The controlled trafficking of weapons is not authorized under the Mexican national legislation. An operation that would contemplate this would not have been acceptable to the Mexican government, and it will never be under any circumstance." The Mexican Attorney General also stated that it's conducting its own investigation to identify "the crimes that could have been carried out on Mexican territory."
    CBS News Investigates - Page 9 - CBS News

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    In a vote like this, where the House Minority Leadership played the race card and flung all the bull**** they could to derail it, even 5 Democrats voting in favor of the Resolution would have been a lot.

    17 Democrats Joining the Republicans is a Tsunami

    17 who put honor over party.

    The top cop is a crook.

    Provide the documents.
    Those Democrats should be re-elected!
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    C) it's his constitutional responsibility to safeguard the independence of the executive branch from legislative branch overreaching.
    Bull****. The President is not empowered to draw that line where he or she thinks it is to be drawn. Further, the HOuse DOES have a Constitutional duty to over-sight.

    As previously defined by the Courts, EP is to be very specific and finite. Not this crap nonsense you have submitted as fact.

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Gun laws merely regulate the individuals trying to legally own them. Criminals that want guns will get them no matter how many or how little gun laws there are.
    Thanks for the bumper sticker. But if Arizona had stricter gun laws -- like not allowing unlimited same-day purchases, the ATF would at least have a fighting chance.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Bull****. The President is not empowered to draw that line where he or she thinks it is to be drawn. Further, the HOuse DOES have a Constitutional duty to over-sight.

    As previously defined by the Courts, EP is to be very specific and finite. Not this crap nonsense you have submitted as fact.
    Of course it's the presidents prerogative to invoke EP, just as it's Congress' to try to overreach. Ultimately they either work it out or the courts decide.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Seems to be more of them not liking his crackdown on voter suppression laws than anything else
    It only too until post 4 to hear one of todays left wing talking heads talking points thrown out. That was quick.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Of course it's the presidents prerogative to invoke EP,
    When it has to do with him.... that is the precedent, EP is for the president and stuff he is involved in. Are you suggesting that by him using it WRT FF, he has shown he DID know about the whole thing? (aka, another lie to the public from him)
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