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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wrong. As usual.
    Tell it to the Supreme Court, Bubba. And wake up and realize that there is a presidential communications privelege and a deliberative process privelege and the both fall under the rubric of executive privelege. The former is exclusive to Presidential communications and the latter is not.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are you kidding here? They didn't try to stop anything, they let them go!
    The only agents who intentionally let guns go were the so-called whisleblowers.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The only agents who intentionally let guns go were the so-called whisleblowers.
    If the Mexican government was never told that the weapons were allowed to illegally cross the border, who was going to follow them?

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    actually glad they did this
    now what?
    more political games that will end in nothing more than another exorbitant waste of taxpayer dollars


    and holder brought much of this on himself when he initially misled the congress
    so, let issa and his gang chase holder while he enjoys the protection of executive privilege
    it's not like they are going to spend their time actually doing something for the country's benefit
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The only agents who intentionally let guns go were the so-called whisleblowers.
    So you've gotten to read the 80,000 documents !

    Your above is a crock. Guns walked all over. The ATF doesn't even know how many with any accuracy. They couldn't stop them once they opened the floodgates. Clearly some lower level folks wanted to stop it, but apparently the Prosecuters, for reasons good or bad, said they could not or would not bring the cases. The ATF field agents were used by folks above them. All the way up to Holder.

    The agents had some air-tight cases. Slam dunks. And higher ups, especially in Justice, said "Nope". Rebut that.

    So more guns walked than ever before. At least 5 times more. And unlike with Bush when they stopped once it was seen as a bad plan, this spigot was left wide open until almost two months after Terry was killed and the crap hit the fan.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    They spent tax payer dollars to do a little political theater kabuki for the benefit of the far-right base?

    How do you see that as a positive?

    I would like to see them do what they're paid to do and not put on meaningless performances.

    Later in the summer, Teatards mean to waste more of your money pretending to 'repeal' ACA.
    Teatards, hmm, thats nice. Anyway, how is it wasting my money when they are supporting, promoting, and legislating what I believe in? I believe AG Holder should have been held in contempt. What citizen in this country can do what he did with no repercussion? The Congress says hand it over, you do it. No matter what party, race, etc you are.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    The civil contempt also passed with 21 Dems voting in favor.

    Now goes to a court, judge orders documents released or an explanation, in detail for each document as to why it falls under E.P..

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You mean Bush and his AG, right?


    The program was started under them.
    Inaccurate. Wide Receiver was started under President Bush and discontinued under President Bush due to the realization that it didn't work. Fast and Furious is a new program that was started during this adminstration.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The president does not have to be in the loop for the privelege to apply. Just ask George Bush.
    I think what he means is that President Obama has now brought himself into question becuase there is only two reasons I can think of that he would do this A) His name is involved (I don't believe that personally) B) He is playing politics and interfering with a Congressional investigation. President Obama rails against the Congress about "getting nothing done" and then, when they are getting something done, he shoots it down because he doesn't like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    If the Mexican government was never told that the weapons were allowed to illegally cross the border, who was going to follow them?
    The weapons weren't allowed to illegally cross the border. Thanks to Arizona's insanely lax gun laws, ATF had no legal grounds to interdict them.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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