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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So, why did the Feds argue it was a tax if it isn't? Either way you want to word it or look at it, its the gov't making you buy something. How can you disagree with that? Is that something you want?

    Because it was always an 'ends justifies the means' proposition.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because it was always an 'ends justifies the means' proposition.
    Just like the Patriot Act. Sorry if you like that bill, but I hate it.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Did you miss the fact that it isn't, and plainly state so in the article.
    Yes, he did. Again.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Just like the Patriot Act. Sorry if you like that bill, but I hate it.

    I defended it early on, knee jerk to the attacks. Probably like a lot of people did, but today can see clearly how granting one President power quickly turns into things that are not what I want.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I'll be honest with you, I wouldn't have been as adamantly against it if they had said it was a tax instead of trying to use the Commerce clause. I still would not have wanted it, but, I would have studied it more deeply instead of the automatic dismissal I gave it.
    So the real problem here is that you were arguing against it for two years without even bothering to find out what it was.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So the real problem here is that you were arguing against it for two years without even bothering to find out what it was.
    So you have read the entire law? And understand it all?
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you have read the entire law? And understand it all?
    I certainly read and understood the most controversial parts, like the penalty sections.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I certainly read and understood the most controversial parts, like the penalty sections.
    So that would be a no? Listen, just because you read the parts in the news, how can you possibly deride someone else for not doing what you yourself haven't done?
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So the real problem here is that you were arguing against it for two years without even bothering to find out what it was.
    Dude, that bill is over 2,000 pages. All I need is the fact that it makes me buy something. I don't care if only it only hits about 1% of the country. I don't care if it won't really even affect anyone. Its the precedent that I don't like. If I am still on this website when a Republican takes office, I will remember this discussion. You don't seem to have a problem with Dems telling you what to buy. I'd like to see when the GOP tries it. As a matter of fact, President Bush I initially had the idea for the individual mandate (with help from the Heritage Foundation) and Dems wouldn't support it.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Dude, that bill is over 2,000 pages. All I need is the fact that it makes me buy something. I don't care if only it only hits about 1% of the country. I don't care if it won't really even affect anyone. Its the precedent that I don't like. If I am still on this website when a Republican takes office, I will remember this discussion. You don't seem to have a problem with Dems telling you what to buy. I'd like to see when the GOP tries it. As a matter of fact, President Bush I initially had the idea for the individual mandate (with help from the Heritage Foundation) and Dems wouldn't support it.
    You didn't have to read the actual bill to understand what the mandate was. You could have just read a newspaper or any of the dozens of summaries available online.

    Personally I have no problem with mandates that make sense: uninsured driver insurance, seat belts, air bags, catalytic converters, background checks, etc., etc.

    And again, the isurance mandate is a Republican idea.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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