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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Transparency is wonderful isn't it? Holder is found in contempt (and rightfully so) and the transparent Obama wants to hide the documents using executive privilege. I wonder if Obama knew about the operation. Regardless, I'm fairly certain they are trying to obstruct justice and hide something incriminating.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    No...it means it's not illegal for him to do it. Therefore, it is not a crime if it cannot be prosecuted.
    Well that's great logic. So, if I shoot someone in the eye and then flee to a country that has no extradition treaty with the US ... I haven't really committed a crime, because I can't be prosecuted!
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

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    The other constitutional provision at issue regarding Congress’s power to enact the individual mandate is the taxing power. The federal government argues that the individual mandate’s “practical operation” is as a tax because the financial penalty for failure to comply with the mandate will be administered through the tax code and reasonably relates to the raising of some amount of federal revenue.
    http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8270-2.pdf

    So, am I still lying?
    Yes, you are still lying. The president never sought to deceive anyone about how the penalty works, and no one, including you, was deceived. Everyone who was paying attention knew that it was a tax penalty in 2009.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, you are still lying. The president never sought to deceive anyone about how the penalty works, and no one, including you, was deceived. Everyone who was paying attention knew that it was a tax penalty in 2009.
    Are you really going to stare facts in the face and say that they aren't true? Obama was pretty adamant about the tax not being a tax. His critics said it would be a tax upon the middle and lower class and they (Obama and many of the Dems) rhetorically fought and deceived against that. Everyone knew it was a tax in nature, but some chose to be willfully deceived in the name of rhetoric to say that they were not imposing a new tax or raising taxes.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, you are still lying. The president never sought to deceive anyone about how the penalty works, and no one, including you, was deceived. Everyone who was paying attention knew that it was a tax penalty in 2009.
    So, when he said it wasn't a tax but then his people argued it was to get it through the SCOTUS, that was what exactly?
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So, when he said it wasn't a tax but then his people argued it was to get it through the SCOTUS, that was what exactly?
    Any port in a storm

    It's a stupid right wing claim, and everybody knows it -- Obama didn't want to call it a tax for political reasons, but his attorneys figured the best way to pass constitutional muster was to call it a tax. In the real world, it's still not a tax -- it's a penalty/fine for not carrying health insurance. But the right seems to gravitate towards stupid 'gotcha' semantic arguments, so here we are

    The only people paying the 'tax' are deadbeats, who the right always claim are parasites who aren't paying their fair share. Again, the right needs no one to oppose their arguments -- they contradict themselves
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Did you miss the fact that it was illegal for Issa to include the letter in the record AT ALL?
    Did you miss the fact that it isn't, and plainly state so in the article.
    I really don't understand the difficulty in the English language. The following is from "the article":

    The wiretap applications are under court seal, and releasing such information to the public would ordinarily be illegal. But Issa appears to be protected by the Speech or Debate Clause in the Constitution, which offers immunity for Congressional speech, especially on a chamber’s floor.

    Darrell Issa Puts Details of Secret Wiretap Applications in Congressional Record : Roll Call News
    If a hit man is granted immunity to testify against mob bosses, does that mean that murder is legal?

    In rightwingworld, the answer is apparently yes

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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Any port in a storm

    It's a stupid right wing claim, and everybody knows it -- Obama didn't want to call it a tax for political reasons, but his attorneys figured the best way to pass constitutional muster was to call it a tax. In the real world, it's still not a tax -- it's a penalty/fine for not carrying health insurance. But the right seems to gravitate towards stupid 'gotcha' semantic arguments, so here we are

    The only people paying the 'tax' are deadbeats, who the right always claim are parasites who aren't paying their fair share. Again, the right needs no one to oppose their arguments -- they contradict themselves
    Not to mention that the mandate and the "tax" were Republican ideas and their candidate for President was the first to implement BOTH in Mass. They are so full of contradictions that they don't know whether they are coming or going. It would be amusing if it wasn't so bad for the country.

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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Are you really going to stare facts in the face and say that they aren't true? Obama was pretty adamant about the tax not being a tax. His critics said it would be a tax upon the middle and lower class and they (Obama and many of the Dems) rhetorically fought and deceived against that. Everyone knew it was a tax in nature, but some chose to be willfully deceived in the name of rhetoric to say that they were not imposing a new tax or raising taxes.
    I'll be honest with you, I wouldn't have been as adamantly against it if they had said it was a tax instead of trying to use the Commerce clause. I still would not have wanted it, but, I would have studied it more deeply instead of the automatic dismissal I gave it. As it is, the Dems basically framed it as making me buy something I may not want or need. I don't like the idea of being made to buy something by the Federal government (or any gov't entity), no matter what it is. No matter what the SCOTUS said, I know what the intent or "spirit" of the bill was. I don't like the precedent it sets. I don't like the precedent this ruling sets either. The fact that the gov't can now tax me for not doing something they want is very unsettling. It should be to everyone, regardless of their lean or affiliation.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Any port in a storm

    It's a stupid right wing claim, and everybody knows it -- Obama didn't want to call it a tax for political reasons, but his attorneys figured the best way to pass constitutional muster was to call it a tax. In the real world, it's still not a tax -- it's a penalty/fine for not carrying health insurance. But the right seems to gravitate towards stupid 'gotcha' semantic arguments, so here we are

    The only people paying the 'tax' are deadbeats, who the right always claim are parasites who aren't paying their fair share. Again, the right needs no one to oppose their arguments -- they contradict themselves
    So, why did the Feds argue it was a tax if it isn't? Either way you want to word it or look at it, its the gov't making you buy something. How can you disagree with that? Is that something you want?
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