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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am convinced that anything Obama says is either a complete, and utter lie, or exactly the opposite of what he plans on actually doing.
    Agreed. I used think he was incompetent. Now, I know he's not. He's doing exactly what he means to do everytime he does it. And people bite it hook, line, and sinker everytime. The man has the gift of gab, gotta give him that.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Agreed. I used think he was incompetent. Now, I know he's not. He's doing exactly what he means to do everytime he does it. And people bite it hook, line, and sinker everytime. The man has the gift of gab, gotta give him that.
    (I have to preface this extremely sarcastic argument we are about to have with a salute for your service)

    Apparently you don't, since none of what you said is anything more than you running your mouth without any proof/evidence to support it. Please, enlighten us sir.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    (I have to preface this extremely sarcastic argument we are about to have with a salute for your service)

    Apparently you don't, since none of what you said is anything more than you running your mouth without any proof/evidence to support it. Please, enlighten us sir.
    Thanks for the salute.
    On to the sarcasm lol.
    Case in point. He knew that the individual mandate "penalty" was a tax. Yet, he said it wasn't. I used to think he was too dumb to realize that it was a tax. Now, I believe he did know it was a tax and simply lied about it. Why do I think this? Because the fact that it is a tax was actually argued by lawyers in favor of the ACA to the SCOTUS during the ACA hearings. Because he gave an interview to George Stephanopolous<-(spell check?) saying it wasn't a tax. If you believe President Obama had no input or knowledge of the arguments going up in front of the Supreme Court before the hearings started, you would be naive. He has a law degree. If anything, he probably read them just out of pure personal interest. So, in affect, he deceived the American public in order to get legislature passed that he wanted. Thats a man who knows what he's doing, not a stupid or incompetent man. I can name other cases that have made me come to my above conclusion if you'd like.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, and while I'm a it I'll ask the other 43 presidents.
    Sorry Adam, there have been only 42 people who have been POTUS before Obama, Obama is the 43rd.


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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Thanks for the salute.
    On to the sarcasm lol.
    Case in point. He knew that the individual mandate "penalty" was a tax. Yet, he said it wasn't. I used to think he was too dumb to realize that it was a tax. Now, I believe he did know it was a tax and simply lied about it. Why do I think this? Because the fact that it is a tax was actually argued by lawyers in favor of the ACA to the SCOTUS during the ACA hearings. Because he gave an interview to George Stephanopolous<-(spell check?) saying it wasn't a tax. If you believe President Obama had no input or knowledge of the arguments going up in front of the Supreme Court before the hearings started, you would be naive. He has a law degree. If anything, he probably read them just out of pure personal interest. So, in affect, he deceived the American public in order to get legislature passed that he wanted. Thats a man who knows what he's doing, not a stupid or incompetent man. I can name other cases that have made me come to my above conclusion if you'd like.

    Nail on the head! Barrack Obama has been projecting what he wants to do ever since the days in the Il senate. People chose to buy his lofty rhetoric instead of saying, 'wait a minute, what do you mean'.....
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Thanks for the salute.
    On to the sarcasm lol.
    Case in point. He knew that the individual mandate "penalty" was a tax. Yet, he said it wasn't. I used to think he was too dumb to realize that it was a tax. Now, I believe he did know it was a tax and simply lied about it. Why do I think this? Because the fact that it is a tax was actually argued by lawyers in favor of the ACA to the SCOTUS during the ACA hearings. Because he gave an interview to George Stephanopolous<-(spell check?) saying it wasn't a tax. If you believe President Obama had no input or knowledge of the arguments going up in front of the Supreme Court before the hearings started, you would be naive. He has a law degree. If anything, he probably read them just out of pure personal interest. So, in affect, he deceived the American public in order to get legislature passed that he wanted. Thats a man who knows what he's doing, not a stupid or incompetent man. I can name other cases that have made me come to my above conclusion if you'd like.
    Well said. He knows that only 34% of the public support Obama Care hoping that folks are too complacent to do anything. it's exactly that strategy that lost them 63 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate mid-term 2010. That's quite a smack down to all the Democrats on the Hill. The House Republicans should pass a repeal bill in the House and send it to the Senate so Hapless Harry can shelve it, then beat up on Senate Democrats all the way to election day for not addressing the repeal. I have a neighbor and 2 friends that were told by their companies that as of Jan 2014 they will no longer offer health care as a benefit.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Well said. He knows that only 34% of the public support Obama Care hoping that folks are too complacent to do anything. it's exactly that strategy that lost them 63 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate mid-term 2010. That's quite a smack down to all the Democrats on the Hill. The House Republicans should pass a repeal bill in the House and send it to the Senate so Hapless Harry can shelve it, then beat up on Senate Democrats all the way to election day for not addressing the repeal. I have a neighbor and 2 friends that were told by their companies that as of Jan 2014 they will no longer offer health care as a benefit.

    My company's official position so far is that they are maintaining coverage, however, it is under review. My company has over 800 employees nationwide.

    This is scary stuff.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Thanks for the salute.
    On to the sarcasm lol.
    Case in point. He knew that the individual mandate "penalty" was a tax. Yet, he said it wasn't. I used to think he was too dumb to realize that it was a tax. Now, I believe he did know it was a tax and simply lied about it.
    This is such total bull****, it really makes me nauseous. It is a penalty. It has always been a penalty. It was advertised as a penalty. It is still a penalty. Obama lied about nothing. Whether the authority to levy the penalty arises out of the commerce clause or the taxing power is an interesting legal question, but it changes absolutely nothing in terms of how the law is implemented.

    Someone is lying here and it ain't Obama.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The fact that he has immunity does not mean that he didn't commit the crime, genius. It just means that he can't be prosecuted for the crime.
    No...it means it's not illegal for him to do it. Therefore, it is not a crime if it cannot be prosecuted.
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    Re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    This is such total bull****, it really makes me nauseous. It is a penalty. It has always been a penalty. It was advertised as a penalty. It is still a penalty. Obama lied about nothing. Whether the authority to levy the penalty arises out of the commerce clause or the taxing power is an interesting legal question, but it changes absolutely nothing in terms of how the law is implemented.

    Someone is lying here and it ain't Obama.


    The other constitutional provision at issue regarding Congress’s power to enact the individual mandate is the taxing power. The federal government argues that the individual mandate’s “practical operation” is as a tax because the financial penalty for failure to comply with the mandate will be administered through the tax code and reasonably relates to the raising of some amount of federal revenue.
    http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8270-2.pdf

    So, am I still lying?
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