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    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    Holder said he reviewed 140,000 documents looking for the information that Issa requested. Are you saying that Holder looked for the pertinent information outside the scope of Fast and Furious? Why would he look through documents not related to Fast and Furious for information about it? Is he that disorganized and overwhelmed? Heck according to Al Sharpton, Holder turned over 140,000 documents to Issa and the Huffington Post printed his guest article without even attempting to verify it. And I'll ask again: How did Fortune Magazine get ahold of 2,000 pages of classified ATF documents?

    Rev. Al Sharpton: Attorney General Eric Holder Has Been 'Stopped and Frisked'
    Have you ever done discovery? I'm guessing not. I've had cases where I reviewed 20,000 pages and came away with five that were relevant.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Have you ever done discovery? I'm guessing not. I've had cases where I reviewed 20,000 pages and came away with five that were relevant.
    I believe you. lol. Any comments on Rev Al's assertions that Holder turned over 140,000 documents to the racist Issa? And any theories as to how Fortune got their hands on 2,000 classified pages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What about the death of Brian Terry? Don't the Democrats care about his death from a weapon that was part of Fast and Furious?
    That poor man would have been dead if F&F NEVER existed. Killed by drug lords that purchased guns from a straw purchaser who bought them legally at a gun store in Arizona. Try as they might there was no way to prosecute the strawmen or seize those guns legally. The prosecutors said they did nothing illegal that could be proven under current law.
    These are the facts and anyone who would spin them into the ATF allowing guns to "walk" and being responsible for Terry's murder deserves to be brought up on libel charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    I believe you. lol. Any comments on Rev Al's assertions that Holder turned over 140,000 documents to the racist Issa? And any theories as to how Fortune got their hands on 2,000 classified pages?
    Oh look you playing the race card yet again in a different thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    From dumb to dumber.

    As for the Fortune article, which is long, this is what it shows. The the local ATF were powerless to prosecute. They let the gun sales occur, They set it all up. They did everything they could to set cases up for prosecution. They were ready to bust multiple folks this side of the border.

    And Justice said "Nope".

    Holder and the DoJ are guilty as sin. They used the ATF like cannon fodder.
    Wait a minute..I thought the ATF was the bad guy? Now you are questioning the judgment of State prosecutors as far away as New York?
    This thing must be huge, with Holder controllling 1000's of prosecutors. He may not even be from this planet......

    Oh wait, this whole thing is over and done....see ya in 3 years or so
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Oh look you playing the race card yet again in a different thread.
    Resorting to canned lines, are we? You must have missed Rev Al's piece in the Huffington Post titled "AG Holder has been stopped and frisked. LOL.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-al...b_1613079.html
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    Resorting to canned lines, are we? You must have missed Rev Al's piece in the Huffington Post titled "AG Holder has been stopped and frisked. LOL.
    Rev. Al Sharpton: Attorney General Eric Holder Has Been 'Stopped and Frisked'
    Sure didn't. I don't really read the HuffPo. If I do its because I googled a topic and it goes to their site. I don't actively go to that site for news. Why are you?
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    I believe you. lol. Any comments on Rev Al's assertions that Holder turned over 140,000 documents to the racist Issa? And any theories as to how Fortune got their hands on 2,000 classified pages?
    No, I have no comments on Sharpton one way or another. Conservatives seem to be the only ones who ever mention him.

    And I have no idea how the author of the article got access to the documents. Obviously she has some pretty good sources.
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    Just to bottom line it for you. Law Enforcement has a duty to preserve life and follow all the laws.

    Criminally negligent manslaughter

    Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply.

    It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of willful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts himself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable.

    Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death. The existence of the duty is essential because the law does not impose criminal liability for a failure to act unless a specific duty is owed to the victim.

    Manslaughter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This is what we are talking about here. Law Enforcement officials, they had a "duty to act" as soon as they started losing track of the Assault Rifles in question. Common sense and duty to law enforcement dictates once they lost track of guns, shut the program down. They didn't do that. They failed to foresee that allowing untracked assault rifles in the hands of murderous drug cartels would constitute a "wanton disregard for human life". After all they were not allowing tire pressure gauges to cross the border, they were dealing with assault rifles. Folks in the Obama administration are going to jail. It would be helpful if they policed themselves, or we'll do it for 'em and they won't like the results.
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