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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    For those of you who want to learn more about the Fast & Furious thing that went down instead of just trying to score political points, Cenk Uygur did a pretty good in depth reporting on whose who and what went down. He's a hard lefty but makes a good case in his reporting.

    video at the link
    How did Fortune magazine get its hands on 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents? Is the administration leaking again? And what is the value of 2,000 pages when Holder has said his agency has generated 140,000 documents on Fast and Furious? And why believe a political article that came out of a magazine owned by Time/Warner?

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    It's actually a breakdown of who did what. I'm sure that's not as important to you as trashing Obama as you are practically admitting with this post.
    According to WHO? I always trash Obama and always with good reason. Just release the documents, ALL the documents.



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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'm not afraid of the documents. Just don't want to divulge agents in the field and put the in peril. You know... like a Valerie Plame thing that you guys were so concerned about. oh wait...

    I'm clearly not as afraid of the documents as you two are of watching that video I posted.
    From dumb to dumber.

    As for the Fortune article, which is long, this is what it shows. The the local ATF were powerless to prosecute. They let the gun sales occur, They set it all up. They did everything they could to set cases up for prosecution. They were ready to bust multiple folks this side of the border.

    And Justice said "Nope".

    Holder and the DoJ are guilty as sin. They used the ATF like cannon fodder.

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    How did Fortune magazine get its hands on 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents? Is the administration leaking again? And what is the value of 2,000 pages when Holder has said his agency has generated 140,000 documents on Fast and Furious? And why believe a political article that came out of a magazine owned by Time/Warner?
    Apparently 2000 pages was enought to provide a far better understanding than Issa has managed to put together from 8000 pages. And Holder did NOT say that there were 140,000 pages of relevant information. He said they reviewed that many pages LOOKING for relevant information.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Clearly the best use of our law enforcement officers' time is going through 80,000 pages with an El Marko. And Lord knows no one in Congress has ever leaked confidential information.
    Oh, yeah, rather that prosecute the leakers, let's just never, ever, ever, ever, let congress do their investigational duties again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    From dumb to dumber.

    As for the Fortune article, which is long, this is what it shows. The the local ATF were powerless to prosecute. They let the gun sales occur, They set it all up. They did everything they could to set cases up for prosecution. They were ready to bust multiple folks this side of the border.

    And Justice said "Nope".

    Holder and the DoJ are guilty as sin. They used the ATF like cannon fodder.
    The reason they said NOPE is that you can't prosecute someone who hasn't broken the law, and Arizona's gun laws are so lax that it's all but impossible to make a case.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Oh, yeah, rather that prosecute the leakers, let's just never, ever, ever, ever, let congress do their investigational duties again.
    18 months, almost a dozen hearings, 8,000 pages of documents.... Sometimes you've just got to admit that there's nothing there. Oh yeah, and let's not forget that Issa denied every single request by Democratic members to hold hearings and call witnesses. But nah ... Nothing partisan about this investigation.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, and while I'm a it I'll ask the other 43 presidents.
    Ask who ever you want, it's a free country so far.
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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Apparently 2000 pages was enought to provide a far better understanding than Issa has managed to put together from 8000 pages. And Holder did NOT say that there were 140,000 pages of relevant information. He said they reviewed that many pages LOOKING for relevant information.
    Holder said he reviewed 140,000 documents looking for the information that Issa requested. Are you saying that Holder looked for the pertinent information outside the scope of Fast and Furious? Why would he look through documents not related to Fast and Furious for information about it? Is he that disorganized and overwhelmed? Heck according to Al Sharpton, Holder turned over 140,000 documents to Issa and the Huffington Post printed his guest article without even attempting to verify it. And I'll ask again: How did Fortune Magazine get ahold of 2,000 pages of classified ATF documents?

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    re: House holds holder in contempt [W:140

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Ask who ever you want, it's a free country so far.
    Are you that scared?
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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