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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Navy Pride said:
Come on Redress read the opinion...That is old news............Since Justice Roberts designated the payment a tax today what was said before does not matter...........Today it is the biggest tax to the middle class in the history of this country.......That is how we will pay for Obamacare on the backs of the middle class..........
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Wrong NP...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-care-law-not-largest-tax-increase-us-histor/
 
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Navy Pride said:
Come on Redress read the opinion...That is old news............Since Justice Roberts designated the payment a tax today what was said before does not matter...........Today it is the biggest tax to the middle class in the history of this country.......That is how we will pay for Obamacare on the backs of the middle class..........
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Again with the biggest tax to hit the middle class! Where do you guys get this stuff? :lol:
 
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disneydude said:
Not at all. You have the Conservative 4 : Aliton, Scalia, Thomas and Roberts
The Moderate Four: Breyer, Kagan, Sotomayor and Ginsburg and then you have Kennedy that tends to be the swing vote and sides with both.


Not liberal math at all....just right-winger inability to comprehend.
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So 4 + 4 +1 equates to 1/2 and 1/2. You must be the poster boy for public education.

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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Why is that? I already have health insurance for myself and my family.
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I would not hold my breath on that........You gotta pay for all those 40,000,000 uninsured my left wing friend...
 
Neomalthusian said:
Now that my insurance company has me locked in as a customer, what is it that prevents them from raising their rates?

The last refuge consumers have against monopolistic pricing is that, difficult though it may be, one can technically go without the good or service. But if you have both a monopolistic pricing scenario AND the IRS standing over you telling you to pay, what keeps the insurance companies from jacking their rates further?
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How does your insurance company have you locked in any more than they did yesterday?
 
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Boo Radley said:
He may have been. I don't really know. But one thing doesn't speak to other. Michael Jackson could sing, for example, but he may have been a pedophile. Regardless, he could still sing.
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You can build the best bridges in the world but you s**k one d**k and you are a d**k s*****r..
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Why is that? I already have health insurance for myself and my family.
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Keep thinking it and get back to me in a few months.
 
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mac said:
You can build the best bridges in the world but you s**k one d**k and you are a d**k s*****r..
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OK, that's really wildly off topic. What do you expect for a reply?
 
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AdamT said:
Again with the biggest tax to hit the middle class! Where do you guys get this stuff? :lol:
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Read the ****ing opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Boo Radley said:
OK, that's really wildly off topic. What do you expect for a reply?
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Maybe the recognition that because a country is slightly less f*d up in one area doesn't mean the country is any less f*d up.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Read the ****ing opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can you quote the part where they say it's the biggest middle class tax hike ever, please? :roll:
 
Neomalthusian said:
Now that my insurance company has me locked in as a customer,
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What do you mean "locked in as a customer"? Most individual health insurance plans are month-to-month...some might require a contract for up to a year. I've never heard of one that "locked you in" for a long period of time...I'm not even sure that would be legal.

what is it that prevents them from raising their rates?
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Supply and demand. And under the ACA, they won't be able to discriminate against you personally (unless you smoke) so you'll pay the same rate that they're charging everyone else of your age.

The last refuge consumers have against monopolistic pricing is that, difficult though it may be, one can technically go without the good or service. But if you have both a monopolistic pricing scenario AND the IRS standing over you telling you to pay, what keeps the insurance companies from jacking their rates further?
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I'm confused why you think this is a monopolistic pricing scenario. Additionally, the ACA mandates that all insurance companies spend at least 80-85% of their premiums on health care. If they spend less than that, they have to reimburse all of their policy-holders for the difference.
 
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mac said:
You can build the best bridges in the world but you s**k one d**k and you are a d**k s*****r..
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Correct. It takes skill, and height. Ask Lady GaGa.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Now that my insurance company has me locked in as a customer, what is it that prevents them from raising their rates?

The last refuge consumers have against monopolistic pricing is that, difficult though it may be, one can technically go without the good or service. But if you have both a monopolistic pricing scenario AND the IRS standing over you telling you to pay, what keeps the insurance companies from jacking their rates further?
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Now, this is the best argument I've heard about potential price manipulation by health insurance companies as a direct result of the extra incentive they'd have to price gouge due to the SC upholding ObamaCare as constitutional. But you know what? This just means that those who have argued for a "free market system" truly should rethink who they should hold accountable for price increases. By your logic, it is the insurance industry not Congress or the Supreme Court that should be held in contempt should insurance premiums increase exponentially in the wake of the SC ruling.
 
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mac said:
Maybe the recognition that because a country is slightly less f*d up in one area doesn't mean the country is any less f*d up.
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No where was I even talking about the country. We're talking about the healthcare. Why leap off topic?
 
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Kandahar said:
If you're freaking out about the Affordable Care Act, then I suggest that Poland might not be to your liking:
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The fact is that there is no civilized country in the world that doesn't have a health care system that's more nationalized than ours.
 
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Wake said:
Correct. It takes skill, and height. Ask Lady GaGa.
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Hear Hear!!!
 
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Navy Pride said:
A whole bunch of your left wing buddies thought there were WMD my Monday Morning QB friend including "Slick Willie" Clinton.........
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Cries a member of the "personal responsibility" crowd.

Oh, by the way ... Only one person on the planet is responsible for sending our troops into harms way over WMD that I'm still waiting to be found ...

"As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq." ~ George Bush, 12.14.2005
 
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Boo Radley said:
No where was I even talking about the country. We're talking about the healthcare. Why leap off topic?
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Because you're talking about it in a vacuum. Cuba's healthcare does not define Cuba. But hey, if you want "free" healthcare....by all means, move to Cuba.
 
Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

Navy Pride said:
I would not hold my breath on that........You gotta pay for all those 40,000,000 uninsured my left wing friend...
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So when does it go up? "Wait for it" is not an answer. What's your answer?
 
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mac said:
Keep thinking it and get back to me in a few months.
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That's along the same lines as some were saying when Obama was running the first time -- how if we elect him, our taxes are going up -- but then he voted to extend the Bush tax cuts, making them all wrong. Why should I believe any of y'all now?
 
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mac said:
Because you're talking about it in a vacuum. Cuba's healthcare does not define Cuba. But hey, if you want "free" healthcare....by all means, move to Cuba.
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That would be true if we were comparing political systems. We're not. The discussion was simply about healthcare quality. I can admire and like the way OJ played football, and not like him as a person.
 
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