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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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clownboy said:
What's sad is that you don't see the problem with that, and that you've failed to understand what has been posted - that you have to pay for the policy first, BEFORE (as much as a year in advance) you get the credit. And then, if you happen to get a small raise in income during that waiting year where your family is failing to make their rental payments - you don't get that credit (or it is reduced).
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No, what was sad is that you are apparently an adult and didn't know the difference between a credit and deduction. You can move the goal posts all you want but I can still see you. :lol:

As for the other contentions:

1. You don't have to pay a full year's premium up front. It's billed monthly.

2. The Act provides for advanced credit so eligible individuals don't have to wait until April 15 to get the money.

Health Care Reform Primer: Getting Tax Credits and Cost-Sharing Reductions in Advance - Ask Tim
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Roberts may very well have been worried about the legitimacy of the Supreme Court. However, liberals and leftists can no longer attack the legitimacy of the Supreme Court.
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I was not aware we were.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Spoken like a true progressive whiner. Sick man hoping for the death of half the population.
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Most telling is the speech saying it's "their country" and "get back...." as if somehow this thinking was ever a majority.
 
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j-mac said:
Not wrong, just in the boat now with the rest of us wondering how long before we have healthcare more like England, or Cuba....Hell, I almost think that now that it is cemented by the SCOTUS, why not take it all the way to Single payer, we know that is where this is headed anyway.
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We have poor now. And Cuba has actually made positive strides last I heard. However, we can do better. A single payer system is not one size fits all. Now, we can demonize and do the silly ass dance we've done for decades, or we can have an honest conversation and try to craft something better than what we have.
 
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Redress said:
I was not aware we were.
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Come on Redress if this had been a 5-4 vote with Kennedy deciding Liberal would have been all over it saying the Court is a Conservative court.......The silence is deafening on that now from the left..............By saying it is a tax then it gives Conservatives a huge out on the issue....
 
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j-mac said:
Going forward this is no longer "Obamacare" it heretofore should be called Obama's Health Care Tax.
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Has Fox OK'd that change yet?
 
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Navy Pride said:
Come on Redress if this had been a 5-4 vote with Kennedy deciding Liberal would have been all over it saying the Court is a Conservative court.......The silence is deafening on that now from the left..............By saying it is a tax then it gives Conservatives a huge out on the issue....
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So it must be true because you imagine it is true.
 
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clownboy said:
Yeah, again, I've been seeing those internal figures for a couple decades now. Used to be the students would accept that "crushing debt" because they knew they had a very good chance of paying it back and then some. The high cost of a medical school education hasn't changed. What's changed is the expectation that the students could actually pay it back.
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they can, but they generally have to specialize, which further reduces the number of primary care physicians. i would like to see the path cleared for intelligent young people to become doctors, especially primary care physicians.
 
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I thought when he was running Hussein Obama said no tax hikes for the middle class............Well who does he think is going to pay for the huge tax increase caused by Obama Care.......The biggest tax increase in the history of this country.............Remember this you people who are undecided when you go to the polls in November......
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Of course they charge me for services I choose to purchase. The private sector, IMO, is heads above the govt.
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Not in competence, which is what we were discussing. And they don't handle some problems. They have not made healthcare affordable for the working poor. Nor have insurance companies. We pay a lot, and leave a lot of people outside looking in, passing on costs to you and me.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Yeah...that's the ticket, I'm in love with you.....and every other con making contradictory comments.

Got any other tangents you want to explore to avoid actually addressing your contradictions? Maybe something along the lines of space aliens once you have played out the homophobic line?
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No contradictions. It's all in your mind. But thanks for participating. OBTW I'm taken. :lamo
 
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Navy Pride said:
I thought when he was running Hussein Obama said no tax hikes for the middle class............Well who does he think is going to pay for the huge tax increase caused by Obama Care.......The biggest tax increase in the history of this country.............Remember this you people who are undecided when you go to the polls in November......
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No one running named Hussein Obama, so right away you are wrong.
 
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Redress said:
So it must be true because you imagine it is true.
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Since to pay for it Hussein Obama has to raise taxes on the middle class we shall see how much this helps him come November Redress.......
 
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I guess Obama lied! It's apparent Obama and the Democrats were willing to say what ever it took to get elected, then do what ever they wanted once in office. A vote for Obama in November is a note for taxation without representation. The Health Care bill the Democrats passed is exactly that. Obama and the Democrats told us repeatedly this wasn't a tax, however the White House legal team argued in from of the SCOTUS it WAS a tax and the SCOTUS agreed it was. Obama and the Democrats lied about this from the start, they should be booted out the rest of the way in November.
 
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Boo Radley said:
We have poor now. And Cuba has actually made positive strides last I heard. However, we can do better. A single payer system is not one size fits all. Now, we can demonize and do the silly ass dance we've done for decades, or we can have an honest conversation and try to craft something better than what we have.
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How can the American political culture be reformed so that it isn't a zero sum game? I think the country is far past the point where politicians or the citizenry can change the political culture in the absence of an extraordinary event which fundamentally changes the prevailing mindset. Such events usually involve the shared experience of protracted suffering.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Not in competence, which is what we were discussing. And they don't handle some problems. They have not made healthcare affordable for the working poor. Nor have insurance companies. We pay a lot, and leave a lot of people outside looking in, passing on costs to you and me.
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I've purchased HC for years and have had several surgeries and am very, very pleased with my purchase. So I have to disagree with you.

There are better ways than what Obama and the Dems and the Supremes okayed today, IMO. We are not going to agree on this.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Come on Redress if this had been a 5-4 vote with Kennedy deciding Liberal would have been all over it saying the Court is a Conservative court.......The silence is deafening on that now from the left..............By saying it is a tax then it gives Conservatives a huge out on the issue....
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No one has been saying that it is a "conservative court". If anything, it is 1/2 moderate and 1/2 conservative.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I thought when he was running Hussein Obama said no tax hikes for the middle class............Well who does he think is going to pay for the huge tax increase caused by Obama Care.......The biggest tax increase in the history of this country.............Remember this you people who are undecided when you go to the polls in November......
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Remember when you go to the polls that both Dems and Repubs in Washington - all the way down to the little City Councilmen across the country - don't forget that they'll both rob you blind. They have for about 232 years.

Keep buying the propaganda, Navy....the Dems and Repubs love ya all the way to the bank.
 
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AdamT said:
No, what was sad is that you are apparently an adult and didn't know the difference between a credit and deduction. You can move the goal posts all you want but I can still see you. :lol:
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No goal posts have been moved and tax credits do not always work the way you apparently believe they do. There's a very good chance I've been a tax paying adult for far longer than you have and if you were honest, until it was brought up here, you had no knowledge that there were provisions to cope with advanced payments in the bill.

AdamT said:
As for the other contentions:

1. You don't have to pay a full year's premium up front. It's billed monthly.
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Try reading what I posted. Didn't say one had to pay the annual rate.

AdamT said:
2. The Act provides for advanced credit so eligible individuals don't have to wait until April 15 to get the money.

Health Care Reform Primer: Getting Tax Credits and Cost-Sharing Reductions in Advance - Ask Tim
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Perhaps you should read your own link. Here you're asking a government that can't even run an effective eVerify system to predict future income and communicate that to the state in a timely enough manner for it to make a bit of difference. Not to mention the new bureaucracies it requires to be cobbled together by both the states and the feds.

Oh yeah, that's going to work </sarcasm>
 
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Nope, no contradiction there at all.....you are simultaneously paying and not paying the private sector for your ins.

Billy the Kid said:
Well I'm not paying the private sector from my pocket. Nor can the private sector tax me for bull**** programs and redudant govt agencies.
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Billy the Kid said:
Of course they charge me for services I choose to purchase. The private sector, IMO, is heads above the govt.
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