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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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mac said:
I didn't quote a comment. I will now though, as a result of your impetuosity:
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Actually you did: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...s-w-125-384-635-652-a-105.html#post1060635752


“The question is not whether that is the most natural interpretation of the mandate, but only whether it is a ‘fairly possible’ one . . . . As we have explained, ‘every reasonable construction must be resorted to, in order to save a statute from unconstitutionality.’ . . . . The Government asks us to interpret the mandate as imposing a tax, if it would otherwise violate the Constitution. Granting the Act the full measure of deference owed to federal statutes, it can be so read, for the reasons set forth below . . . .
“The Affordable Care Act’s requirement that certain individuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax. Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness.”

Health care decision: Key quotes from the ruling - Tim Grieve - POLITICO.com

edit: you said "my quote" and I read "a quote." Regardless, the quote provided proves your lack of understanding.
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Hey, that is not what you claimed he said.
 
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Alright, so where does a person ignorant of the details regarding this movement go to get some basic knowledge?
 
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Thunder said:
Obama didn't call it a tax. SCOTUS chose to call it a tax today, which was not Obama's decision.

you hold Obama responsible for SCOTUS' decision today?

its not really a tax, as taxes are not punitive.
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The attorney arguing the case before the Supreme Court did indeed argue it under the Congress' right to tax. You are lieing.
 
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Thunder said:
Obama didn't call it a tax. SCOTUS chose to call it a tax today, which was not Obama's decision.

you hold Obama responsible for SCOTUS' decision today?

its not really a tax, as taxes are not punitive.
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We're going to have to agree to disagree.
 
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Thunder said:
Obama didn't call it a tax. SCOTUS chose to call it a tax today, which was not Obama's decision.

you hold Obama responsible for SCOTUS' decision today?

its not really a tax, as taxes are not punitive.
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Again, according to the decision it is a tax. It was upheld as a tax. Calling it anything else the justices would not have upheld it (other than Bader-Ginsberg). Read the decision.
 
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Going forward this is no longer "Obamacare" it heretofore should be called Obama's Health Care Tax.
 
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Thunder said:
when did Obama EVER call the penalty, a tax?

when did they argue before the SCOTUS, that its a tax and they have the power to tax?
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To answer your question - in the oral arguments before the court. That's where they argued the mandate should be allowed as they have the power to tax.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
"But Ginsburg said the mandate should have been supported under the commerce clause. She also said the entire law should have been upheld as written, without forcing any changes in the Medicaid provision."

Ginsburg in the majority, but disagrees with health care reasoning - BostonHerald.com

I guess she believes that the gov can do anything.
Why was she picked again...

What's the point of having a constitutional law, with people like her?
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She should be impeached for that little anti constitutional speech she gave abroad. Before people say I'm full of it, she took an oath to uphold and to date has not only spoken ill of it(intent) but over her tenure has done everything but use the constitution in rulings.
 
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Thunder said:
when did Obama EVER call the penalty, a tax?

when did they argue before the SCOTUS, that its a tax and they have the power to tax?
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Good lord, dude. The court can not rule on an argument that wasn't made.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060635904 said:
Just heard on the radio that the Romney campaign has received $1.5 million in contributions today.

Think it has anything to do with the SCOTUS announcement on Obamacare?
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I know the outgoing mail tomorrow is going to have a large check from me to Romney.
 
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Thunder said:
SCOTUS chose to call it a tax, not Obama.

its not really a tax, as taxes are not supposed to be punitive. SCOTUS has quite an imagination.
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Married couples get tax benefits that I do not receive, as do people who have children. I don't see myself as being "punished" by these "extra taxes."
 
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Redress said:
That is not what Roberts said about it as I understand. Have not had a chance to read the decision yet so that is hearsay.
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He pretty much said the government can tax for anything. This means even when there is no legal authority the government can tax. So what's the point of them not having power if they can coerce you throw monetary thuggery?
 
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Redress said:
So you are claiming the middle class is uninsured?
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Of course. If the middle class were insured, there would be little need for the individual mandate.
 
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Thunder said:
when did Obama EVER call the penalty, a tax?

when did they argue before the SCOTUS, that its a tax and they have the power to tax?
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He said the Mandate wasn't a tax. Then his lawyers went to court and argued that the Mandate wasn't a tax. Obama wanted it both ways.

What's important now is to salvage what conservatives can from this liberal victory. Under the terms of existing American political culture the smart political thing is to fan the flames of resentment and grievance especially among white seniors. Doing so will result in some modicum of political advantage. This is the only thing that matters in America any more. I wish this weren't true, but I can't change reality. So it makes sense to play the game no matter what the consequences to the country. I know this will hurt the country, but both sides do this. It doesn't make sense to disarm unilaterally.
 
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Thunder said:
when did Obama EVER call the penalty, a tax?

when did they argue before the SCOTUS, that its a tax and they have the power to tax?
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See post 1102.
 
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If the economy goes back into recession the smart political move will be to blame Obamacare for frightening small business job creators.
 
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This Supreme Court decision will be characterized as a huge victory for Obama and a major defeat for white seniors.
 
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Taylor said:
Of course. If the middle class were insured, there would be little need for the individual mandate.
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The logic completely fails to follow. In point of fact, quick google search says 2/3 of the middle class have insurance through their employer.
 
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