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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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clownboy said:
So. This has now been extended to mean that taxes may be punitive (something new) to punish private transactional inactivity.
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It looks that way. But the court only said that obamacare was legal because they could consider the 'fee' a 'tax'. They did not rule on the constitutionality of that actual tax, nor can there be a court case challenging it until it goes into effect and is collected.
 
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vendur said:
Tax is legalized governmental theft. Nothng more.

Jesus would never force someone to do something they didn't want to. The end, period. it's idiotic to bring Jesus into this when its obvious you know jack **** about anything related to him.
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That's more than a bit hyperbolic. Actually, all of it more than a bit hyperbolic. Perhaps you should wait until you're less emotional. :coffeepap
 
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iguanaman said:
The good news is that the vast majority will benefit from the bill in many ways. That went right over your head I guess.
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Really? I say we wait to see how this govt run program is gonna help people. As of the signing, those older Americans on Medicare, which they've paid into for years and years, have been the first thrown under the bus, at the tune of $500 Million in cuts. I guess our grandparants will get used to paying more for HC and eating more cat food.


But hey, that's good news to you.
 
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vendur said:
Tax is legalized governmental theft. Nothng more.

Jesus would never force someone to do something they didn't want to. The end, period. it's idiotic to bring Jesus into this when its obvious you know jack **** about anything related to him.
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Neither of those statements is true. If you had read both the Bible and the Constitution you would know.
 
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Boo Radley said:
That's more than a bit hyperbolic. Actually, all of it more than a bit hyperbolic. Perhaps you should wait until you're less emotional. :coffeepap
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So if I go over to your house, take all your money and credit cards, and then go on a spending spree, it's not theft if I promise I'll do something nice for you return?
 
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mac said:
Which means Obamacare raised taxes. New taxes equals raised taxes....on the lower and low middle class.
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Thank you. :)
 
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vendur said:
So if I go over to your house, take all your money and credit cards, and then go on a spending spree, it's not theft if I promise I'll do something nice for you return?
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No one is doing anything like that. That's why I call what you're saying hyperbole. It is simply not what is happening. I think you'll eventually be able to see that.
 
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clownboy said:
I can tell you the bolded part at least is a load of manure. Again, for the third time, my premiums have been raised three times since the passage of Obamacare.
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my premiums have been raised every year since i started working in 1999.
 
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"But Ginsburg said the mandate should have been supported under the commerce clause. She also said the entire law should have been upheld as written, without forcing any changes in the Medicaid provision."

Ginsburg in the majority, but disagrees with health care reasoning - BostonHerald.com

I guess she believes that the gov can do anything.
Why was she picked again...

What's the point of having a constitutional law, with people like her?
 
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iguanaman said:
Those "death panels" are a myth made up by idiots. Don't throw your hat in with them.
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No, they aren't. "Best practices as determined by the director of DHS" means that, they can decide what risk classes won't get care, and unlike insurance companies, there is no appeals process or physician's release. When your insurance carrier decides they aren't liable they have an entire department dedicated to hearing from agents and clients as to why they just might be, the DHHS does not have such a department.
 
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Helix said:
my premiums have been raised every year since i started working in 1999.
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I'm still asking who I should blame for that? I didn't know health care reform was retroactive, or that some time travel thingie was going on.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Only in the broadest of interpretations. If everyone buys insurance, there is no tax.
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The individual mandate is only constitutional due to congress' right to tax. It becomes "buy insurance or get taxed". It is a disproportionate tax that will be levied against those of us at lower income levels. Obamacare has imposed a new tax on low to low middle class Americans.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Really? I say we wait to see how this govt run program is gonna help people. As of the signing, those older Americans on Medicare, which they've paid into for years and years, have been the first thrown under the bus, at the tune of $500 Million in cuts. I guess our grandparants will get used to paying more for HC and eating more cat food.


But hey, that's good news to you.
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Um, that spread out over a decade, will be countered by cost containment and other means.

I thought you would WANT less Medicare in the US......who knew you are for it?
 
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Boo Radley said:
OK. But I just wanted to make sure you weren't expecting something else. However, I think he was always speaking of the working poor, who are most needy and who likely will be helped the most.
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Ya know, I might buy into to "helping the needy" shill, except the govt is inept. They can't pass a budget. They can't balance a budget. They can't tighten the old spending belt. So please forgive me for saying phooey.
 
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clownboy said:
So. This has now been extended to mean that taxes may be punitive (something new) to punish private transactional inactivity.
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That is not what Roberts said about it as I understand. Have not had a chance to read the decision yet so that is hearsay.
 
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Boo Radley said:
No one is doing anything like that. That's why I call what you're saying hyperbole. It is simply not what is happening. I think you'll eventually be able to see that.
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What the hell are you talking about; that's exactly what is happening.
 
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Helix said:
my premiums have been raised every year since i started working in 1999.
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Wow, to both the raising of your premiums and that you have only been working since 99. :mrgreen:

For the last couple decades I've been self-employed - which means I pay for my own healhcare insurance. Every two to three years the premium would rise 10 to 20 dollars a month. But since Obamacare, every six months it has risen.
 
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Boo Radley said:
I'm still asking who I should blame for that? I didn't know health care reform was retroactive, or that some time travel thingie was going on.
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i blame the artificially low supply of doctors and the fact that health care is an essential service with inelastic demand.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Um, that spread out over a decade, will be countered by cost containment and other means.

I thought you would WANT less Medicare in the US......who knew you are for it?
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Sure it is and pigs are going to fly of the WH, so you'd better notify the Secret Service of that fact.
 
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Redress said:
That is not what Roberts said about it as I understand. Have not had a chance to read the decision yet so that is hearsay.
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It is exactly what Roberts said. If you don't buy insurance, you get taxed. That's it in a nutshell.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Ya know, I might buy into to "helping the needy" shill, except the govt is inept. They can't pass a budget. They can't balance a budget. They can't tighten the old spending belt. So please forgive me for saying phooey.
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Government is no more inept than anyone else. I run into a lot in the private sector who are far more inept, and yet they stay in business (one more talking to someone in India and I'm going eight grade).

And frankly, the government has done some things very well. The world really is better today, and government holds some of the credit for that (not all by any means). It has really just become cliche and overused to complain about government competence. And we can hold them accountable. We may not choose to, but we can.
 
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Helix said:
i blame the artificially low supply of doctors and the fact that health care is an essential service with inelastic demand.
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Medical care is not perfectly inelastic.
Generally, only some medical care is inelastic.
 
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I wonder if Chief Justice Roberts was intimidated by liberal threats to delegitimize the Supreme Court? That's the new meme.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Sure it is and pigs are going to fly of the WH, so you'd better notify the Secret Service of that fact.
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And there you are without a clue to the mechanism that you are whining about.

Prove me wrong if you have the sand.
 
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