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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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AdamT said:
You don't have to pay the whole premium at once. I believe the credit is parceled out over the course of the year, but I'd have to check.
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Please do check. EVERYONE pays their insurance premiums monthly in advance (like RENT), that I know, tax filing is ANNUAL after that year is over. Even a moron knows that you can't BUY something with nothing. To claim a tax credit NEXT YEAR, you must have bought insurance THIS YEAR. If you CAN NOT AFFORD insurance this year then you can claim no tax credit (next year) for NOT buying it, you then must pay the tax PENALTY. Show me links for your nonsense assertions please. You seem to just make stuff up as you go along as some sort of Obama cheerleader.
 
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Misterveritis said:
I completely agree with the middle statement...
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Thank you for proving my point.

For Foxes mouth to your's, not an original thought or idea for miles around.
 
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AdamT said:
Dumb white seniors, maybe. If they aren't dumb then they know how screwed they be if the Republican budget was passed.
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That may or may not be the case. In any event it is irrelevant. White seniors will be fearful and resentful. The fear and resentment can be stoked for political advantage. That is perfectly legitimate under the American political culture. Obama's numbers among white seniors can be driven down.

Small business people can also be frightened and mobilized by the certainty of increased taxes and regulation. This will reduce the likelihood of small businesses creating new jobs. This in turn means that the economy will continue to sputter.

Division works for Democrats. Now it can work for conservatives. I know that the result is that the country will be hurt, but this is the nature of the existing American political culture. I wish it weren't so, but I would be a fool not to play by the established rules of the game.
 
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winston53660 said:
Do you expect a person with broken leg to just pull themselves up by their boot straps
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FYI "uninsured" does NOT mean can't get health care. The HRSA on-line finder has a low cost/no cost Federally funded Health clinics.

Federally-funded health centers care for you, even if you have no health insurance. You pay what you can afford, based on your income. Health centers provide

1. checkups when you're well
2. treatment when you're sick
3. complete care when you're pregnant
4. immunizations and checkups for your children
5. dental care and prescription drugs for your family
6. mental health and substance abuse care if you need it

Health centers are in most cities and many rural areas. Type in your address and click the 'Find Health Centers' button to find health centers near you.

HRSA - Find a Health Center - Search Page
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There are many State and County programs you can find on line as well.
 
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hazlnut said:
Thank you for proving my point.

For Foxes mouth to your's, not an original thought or idea for miles around.
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Original thoughts are hard to come by these days. Sadly.
 
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danarhea said:
And now for a little political humor. From Mitt Romney's campaign web site:

"As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Alito”

:rofl
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Yeah. Romney looks like a moron.

I suspect Chief Justice Roberts is now persona non grata among the conservative half of the population.
 
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Prof. Peabody said:
FYI "uninsured" does NOT mean can't get health care. The HRSA on-line finder has a low cost/no cost Federally funded Health clinics.



There are many State and County programs you can find on line as well.
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So you are advocating FOR govt provided health care? Or are you against this concept? And you do realize that the ACA is not fundamentally govt provided care?
 
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Neomalthusian said:
"Give" to no one and let adults be adults.

What's effed up is your insistence upon thinking of adults like they're helpless infants.
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Too late we already gave the rich theirs. The top 5% saw their nest eggs increase from 8 trillion to $40 Trillion since 1985.
You want us to take it back and start over?
 
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hazlnut said:
If my taxes go up so poor people have a slightly better standards of living and coal/oil companies stop pumping co2 into the air... I can live with that.

Because I'm not selfish and ignorant.
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So your willing to pay for the poors medical..........What about a job, car to get to the job, food, a house to live in.............Where does it end for you socialists?
 
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Misterveritis said:
Your words reveal you. Is it just my right to private property that you refer to as an antiquated narrow view? Do you view other acts of theft and violence in the same expansive way?
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You have no right to gamble on your health coverage, no. That gamble may end up requiring a "bailout". Are you pro-bailouts?
 
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hazlnut said:
Thank you for proving my point.

For Foxes mouth to your's, not an original thought or idea for miles around.
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What can I tell you. You are wrong on nearly everything. But that middle statement was right. I had to stop and give you just a bit of credit where it was due.
 
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iguanaman said:
You have no right to gamble on your health coverage, no. That gamble may end up requiring a "bailout". Are you pro-bailouts?
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You really do not understand private property do you? Or are you just a very young child with no real experience making decisions about your needs and future?
 
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Kandahar said:
I just want to say how proud I am of Chief Justice Roberts for putting his political ideology aside and doing the right thing. This is the first time in years that I've felt like our government can actually accomplish something meaningful. :)

On the substance, it's pretty much a sweeping win for Obama. The court did offer conservatives a couple token olive branches which don't significantly impact the law itself: They ruled that forcing people to buy things is not permitted under the Interstate Commerce Clause (although they also said that this isn't what the law does), and they ruled that states have the right to turn down the Medicaid expansion without jeopardizing their existing funds.

At first I was a bit shocked by their Medicaid decision...I didn't think that would be controversial at all and expected it to be widely upheld. But after I thought about it I'm actually OK with it, because states would be turning down the deal of a century if they chose not to expand Medicaid. They're getting a 100% match from the federal government. Virtually all of the blue states and swing states will of course choose to do so. The red states may "opt out" of the expansion in the short term, while they're still fuming over this decision...but I suspect that they'll quietly get on board in a couple years when the furor dies down. So it sucks that people without health insurance living in Republican states may have to go without health insurance for a couple extra years, but in the grand scheme of things that's a price worth paying for this great Supreme Court decision.

All in all, a great day for the Supreme Court's credibility, and a great day for the United States of America. :)
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Unlike the federal gov't (that now spends 40% more than it taxes), states must TAX to spend, as they must balance budgets (remember when the federl gov't last did that?). So a state, like Texas, must ACTUALLY take from the taxpayers to give to the poor, doubling the medicaid spending is not FREE to the state, they must double their spending too, to get those "free" matching federal funds. Get real!
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Unlike the federal gov't states must TAX to spend, as they must balance budgets (remember when the federl gov't last did that?). So a state, like Texas, must ACTUALLY take from the taxpayers to give to the poor, doubling the medicaid spending is not FREE to the state, they must double their spending too, to get those "free" matching federal funds. Get real!
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Nothing is free. Taxpayers pay for that as well. Not sure you're making a proper distinction.
 
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AdamT said:
Translation: no, I don't have a cite. I just pulled it out of my ass.
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You don't have to pay the whole premium at once. I believe the credit is parceled out over the course of the year, but I'd have to check.
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Pot.....kettle.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Nothing is free. Taxpayers pay for that as well. Not sure you're making a proper distinction.
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So would you support a bill requiring those on welfare to pay it back then?
 
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Navy Pride said:
So your willing to pay for the poors medical..........What about a job, car to get to the job, food, a house to live in.............Where does it end for you socialists?
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It ends with a decent job for everyone that wants one, and food and housing for all. The Constitution gives us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That's a problem to you?
 
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Kandahar said:
I just want to say how proud I am of Chief Justice Roberts for putting his political ideology aside and doing the right thing. This is the first time in years that I've felt like our government can actually accomplish something meaningful. :)

On the substance, it's pretty much a sweeping win for Obama. The court did offer conservatives a couple token olive branches which don't significantly impact the law itself: They ruled that forcing people to buy things is not permitted under the Interstate Commerce Clause (although they also said that this isn't what the law does), and they ruled that states have the right to turn down the Medicaid expansion without jeopardizing their existing funds.

At first I was a bit shocked by their Medicaid decision...I didn't think that would be controversial at all and expected it to be widely upheld. But after I thought about it I'm actually OK with it, because states would be turning down the deal of a century if they chose not to expand Medicaid. They're getting a 100% match from the federal government. Virtually all of the blue states and swing states will of course choose to do so. The red states may "opt out" of the expansion in the short term, while they're still fuming over this decision...but I suspect that they'll quietly get on board in a couple years when the furor dies down. So it sucks that people without health insurance living in Republican states may have to go without health insurance for a couple extra years, but in the grand scheme of things that's a price worth paying for this great Supreme Court decision.

All in all, a great day for the Supreme Court's credibility, and a great day for the United States of America. :)
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I’ll hold out a while longer and just wait for social conservatives to use this new power in a way that liberals hate. Then people will be crying about government overreach and what a bad day it is for America.
 
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Navy Pride said:
So your willing to pay for the poors medical..........What about a job, car to get to the job, food, a house to live in.............Where does it end for you socialists?
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the poor already have cars, they live in them, you said it yourself....
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Unlike the federal gov't (that now spends 40% more than it taxes), states must TAX to spend, as they must balance budgets (remember when the federl gov't last did that?). So a state, like Texas, must ACTUALLY take from the taxpayers to give to the poor, doubling the medicaid spending is not FREE to the state, they must double their spending too, to get those "free" matching federal funds. Get real!
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Double? Are you trying to argue that TX pays all fed spending?

In the words of the poster Conservative: You need a math class.
 
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Navy Pride said:
So your willing to pay for the poors medical..........What about a job,
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How do you "pay for a job"? That doesn't even make sense.

car to get to the job,
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Yes, I support public transportation and/or transportation vouchers for those who need to get to work and can't afford it. The economy will function more efficiently if people are able to get jobs outside of their immediate geographical surroundings. It's pretty hard to bootstrap yourself, if you can't get a job more than a few blocks from your house because you can't afford a car.

food,
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Yes, I support food stamps for those who need help. A population that isn't malnourished tends to be more productive and cause less crime/unrest.

a house to live in
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Yes, I support public assistance for housing for those who need help. A population that isn't living on the streets will be more able to acquire a job and/or training, and cause less crime/unrest.

Where does it end for you socialists?
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:lol:
I'm gonna take this opportunity to gloat today. NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH!
 
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gimmesometruth said:
so you are advocating for govt provided health care? Or are you against this concept? And you do realize that the aca is not fundamentally govt provided care?
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they already were!!!!!!! Uninsured were getting health care so why Obama Care????
 
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Misterveritis said:
You really do not understand private property do you? Or are you just a very young child with no real experience making decisions about your needs and future?
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So that's a "yes", you support bailouts when people or corporations gamble and lose. We simply can't afford that sorry.
Healthcare coverage means just that... not some sort of pick and choose like a Chinese restaurant menu.
 
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Prof. Peabody said:
So would you support a bill requiring those on welfare to pay it back then?
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With our tax dollars? :confused:
 
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This from one so insecure he has to follow along & use the same type & font as everyone else, when there are untold combinations of font, type & color just waiting to be used. :peace

I think this would suit a clownboy. :lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo
clownboy said:
This from a guy who so secure he has to shout out what he posts.

When they announce it to the world, yes, I expect them to hold to what they said. You know their profits haven't sufferred from Obamacare. But you go on believing Obama with get you single payer. Are you denying he didn't bargain it away?
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