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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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I guess we will find out when he takes office and throws this destroyer out on his ear.

We already know. He said he didn't raise taxes as governor and now he says that the mandate he signed into law was a tax. He was either lying then or he's lying now, by your logic.
 
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I couldn't help but notice other posters calling you out on your racist comments. They shouldn't attack you personally, why? Because you are white?

It's because of a loophole in the rules. It's ok to say things that are racist, but apparently it's not ok to call it what it is.
 
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Correction, "you must have gone to, or attended, etc. " Must of went to" would have made my english/grammar teacher wince...

I hope Tigger and Albert keep us posted on their moves.....might be interesting...:lol:

Well, if you knew Smiley High (Houston, Texas) you wouldn't have "attended" there, you would have "gone to." We kinda have our own language. LOL!
 
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$650 a year in order to have guarunteed coverage for all pre-existing conditions, sounds like a good deal to me.


Yep and every business is going to love it to .. . Here is the law as it stands now

“for firms which do not offer insurance any insurance, have more then 50 employees and have at least one employee receiving insurance subsidies, they must pay a tax of $2.000 per subsidized employee. The individual mandate requires everyone to purchase health insurance. The tax is applied to all of a firms employees (ater excluding the first 30) not just those that are subsidized. For example a firm with 51 would pay $42,000 in new annual taxes and an additional $2,000 tax for every new hire.

So for 51 employees a company would pay 42,0000 in fines ….. You know I’m just guessing , but I’ll bet that is less they what they pay in insurance premiums for those same employee’s

I hope all the liberals are going to be overjoyed, when your company comes and tells you that they are no longer going to provide you with insurance … Good luck in finding a policy to cover you and your family for $2,000 a year.
 
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We already know. He said he didn't raise taxes as governor and now he says that the mandate he signed into law was a tax. He was either lying then or he's lying now, by your logic.

And now republicans are vowing to dismantle Obamacare, and repeal it. Let's stay on topic k?

Did Obama lie when he told ABC that it wasn't a tax?
 
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Captain Courtesy had a very good plan a while back, hope he decides to repost it here. I don't mind a government alternative provided that it is voluntary and seperate from the tax base and followed all the rules of private insurance such as must reinvest, remain solvent, collect premiums, retain cash on hand, and only function off of premium/reinvestment dollars. In other words, insurance for those who have problems in the private market.

That said, the real problems haven't been addressed in over a century:
1) Medical school admission is set at a maximum on the federal level, remove the ceiling and allow more physicians who qualify into the market.
2) Tort reform. Add a panel of medical professionals to judge the merits of malpractice cases as a barrier to fivolous med. lawsuits. Merited cases shall not be in jeopardy
3) Relax burdensome regulations for care but retain those that benefit the general consumer such as health and safety standards.
4) Once prices naturalize and become more tenable, relax the emergency mandate and allow for partial collection from "free riders". In a true emergency collection would not be an option but if someone abuses the ER for free care as determined by an independent board they may be liable for at least a portion of care.
5) Allow for a federal income tax break on maintaining private insurance, or for group plans allow a break for the portion paid out from the employee. Encourage insurance usage rather than forcing it.
6) Decentralize where possible.

How about FDA reform? How about cures proven to be better than existing ones not showing up in the US because the FDA requires an additon mulit-million dollar trials program from companies that can't afford it? How about an FDA that appears to over inspects medicine and underinspects beef?
 
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the vast majority of Americans oppose it
Then they probably don't support healthcare. I meant that liberals don't oppose the mandate who support healthcare.
 
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I couldn't help but notice other posters calling you out on your racist comments. They shouldn't attack you personally, why? Because you are white?

Because it's against the TOS.
 
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Even if that were true, and we're not sure that's going to be the case, the remaining 18 million uninsured won't be so happy. They'll still have no insurance, and be penalized for it to boot.

Number of uninsured Americans rises to 50.7 million.

Kinda look like you have access to the supreme court ruling.What penalty are you referring to?
 
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Hhmm...when fully implemented, 32 million Americans would disagree with the bolded part of your statement.

No one will care. They will be distracted by the many additional taxes imposed upon them by the many doors this just opened.
 
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It's because of a loophole in the rules. It's ok to say things that are racist, but apparently it's not ok to call it what it is.

It's never ok to attack another member personally. That's not a loophole.
 
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Obamacare | TheBlaze.com


"Roughly 1,200 companies received waivers from part of the healthcare reform law, the Health and Human Services Department (HHS)"


"However, what’s slightly unsettling is the fact that the majority of the waivers were handed out to labor unions."




Some folks got good deals.
 
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We already know. He said he didn't raise taxes as governor and now he says that the mandate he signed into law was a tax. He was either lying then or he's lying now, by your logic.

Highly disingenuous arguments. Romney didnt argue the passing of his plan by saying it was not a tax then have his solicitors argue in front of SCOTUS that it was.

Obama said one thing to get it passed then said another to keep it from being overturned. If you want to talk about flip flops.
 
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5 years is temporary? They dont get taxed until 2018 :p
From the article. I obviously dont have the waivers in front of me.

No, the law requires companies to gradually raise coverage limits until they are eliminated in 2014. The waiver just says that a company can wait until 2014 to eliminate the limits. That's all the waivers do.
 
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It's never ok to attack another member personally. That's not a loophole.

If somone says things that are racist, you should be able to call out that their post is offensive.

Your race-baiting in this thread is so deep...I'm not going to call you a racist. I'm going to let your racist posts stand for themselves for others to judge.
 
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And now republicans are vowing to dismantle Obamacare, and repeal it. Let's stay on topic k?

Did Obama lie when he told ABC that it wasn't a tax?

They either both lied, or neither of them did, lol. Now have fun explaining how the Republican's lie was better than the democrats, even though they are literally identical, lol.
 
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At first I was going to vote for Obama again, not seeing much difference in Romney. Then as Obama continued with the crap, I decided to vote Romney as the lesser of two evils. Then this decision came - now I'll stump for, work for, donate to the Romney campaign.

Pretty sure, looking around, that others are feeling the same. Might be just the impetus to put Romney over the top.
 
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Highly disingenuous arguments. Romney didnt argue the passing of his plan by saying it was not a tax then have his solicitors argue in front of SCOTUS that it was.

Obama said one thing to get it passed then said another to keep it from being overturned. If you want to talk about flip flops.

So you think Romney will now retract his claim that he didn't raise taxes? If so I've got some swamp land I'd like to sell you.
 
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Then they probably don't support healthcare. I meant that liberals don't oppose the mandate who support healthcare.

those liberals don't care about the economics, just that the entitlements come.
 
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I don't know how you can say that. The government can compel me to enter into contracts with private entities. I have no choice in the matter. I have no right to my property any longer.

The Militia Act of 1792 compels you to buy a gun. Its no longer enforced, but its still the law.
 
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So you think Romney will now retract his claim that he didn't raise taxes? If so I've got some swamp land I'd like to sell you.

Of course not.
 
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a violent revolution over a $650 tax-penalty?

you must be kidding me.
I am sorry. I believed you wanted to discuss this. I apologize for my error. It won't happen again.
 
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