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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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And what do you think those people were doing for healthcare before? Doing without? No, they were getting it for free at everyone else's expense. Now they will at least pick up some of the tab.

Well, that must be why Obama is increasing Food Stamp ads on tv aimed at the elderly....
 
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hahahahahaaaaaa... States can not be forced into enforcing this.....

Libs.. so stupid..
 
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Is that all liberal/progressives know how to do, is throw the race bomb?

Please — you better check who's playing the race card here. :roll:
 
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Is that all liberal/progressives know how to do, is throw the race bomb?

Good to know you only came to complain about "race bomb" after I came in - and not you know - the last 20 pages where Albert Di Salvo has been making this into a race issue.

Your hypocrisy gets thicker every day and I love to expose it. :)
 
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Is that all liberal/progressives know how to do, is throw the race bomb?

Go back and see who the first person was to bring up race in this thread. It wasn't a liberal.
 
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I believe this ends the United States.

I believe this to be a foolish statement of the highest caliber. Ends the United States? It will take more than this to end the United States.

But this highlights one of the serious problems we are facing. This give away to the insurance companies is just a long line of government handouts to corporations, nothing new here. But it does show the inability we seemingly have in having an intelligent debate. It has to devolve into "this ends America" and blah blah blah whatever other retarded arguments and emotional deflections which prevent us from intelligently and rationally discussing the issue.

I think perhaps there does need to be a revolution, but maybe it should be to cast all the idiots into the ocean. Which would include the vast majority of DC. Hope we don't raise the water level too much.
 
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Please — you better check who's playing the race card here. :roll:

Yeah, it was Hautey, check the post again.
 
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As I'm sure you know, there is no free lunch. If a deduction is paid for by borrowing then it will eventually have to be paid for by higher taxes and/or spending cuts.

Yes, I MAY be required to pay for it indirectly, just like I MAY be required to pay for an increase in gas prices when I buy a bottle of milk. The difference, of course, is that I am not being directly fined. The key here is coercion. This is coercion to get people to buy bloated health insurance. I don't think coercion is DIRECTLY wrong (I think we should encourage positive behaviors), however it's the method I have a problem with. I'm not rushing out to take advantage of every possible tax credit because I MIGHT be taxed more later. If I'm gonna go broke because congress passed a bunch of laws requiring me to go out and buy a bunch of stuff or else I'll face severe "taxation," I'm certainly going to consider the choice MUCH more closely.
 
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Yeah, it was Hautey, check the post again.

You're about to look really bad.
 
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hahahahahaaaaaa... States can not be forced into enforcing this.....

Libs.. so stupid..

I hate to break this to you, but while states can TECHNICALLY opt out, in practice they won't be able to unless they want to foot the whole bill themselves.
 
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Go back and see who the first person was to bring up race in this thread. It wasn't a liberal.

Please, it was liberals, when ever Obama looses.
 
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I'm pretty sure those slave owning Libertarians would know where he's coming from.



What do slaves have to do with the HC bill passing? :confused:
 
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Yeah, it was Hautey, check the post again.

no way.. thats a shocker... NOT
 
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Granted that I havent read through the entire strata of responses, has anyone referenced all those waivers? They are waivers against a tax yes? You cant apply a tax selectively or grant waivers selectively. Are those waivers constitutional? If they are not, what then? There are literally millions of people affected by those waivers as well.

Then we move onto the argument of taxing whatever the heck you want, from cell phones (you need them to call for emergency care, as an argument) to green policies (has to have a certain MPG) or lulz here but how about taxing for NOT having a gun for self protection. All of those could be applied from this ruling. This didnt stop the problems, its just the beginning of the mess we are going to have to sort out, this ruling was probably the largest since Wickard---which was somewhat derailed by this ruling in an odd way by sidestepping into the tax area and not ruling on the limitation of the commerce clause.
 
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...So what is left? I believe a revolution must now occur. I do not see any way around it now that the full blown tyranny is upon us. It is a defeat for everybody.

you want to violently overthrow the freely-elected govt. of the USA, because folks who don't have health insurance will be charged $650 a year?
 
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I hate to break this to you, but while states can TECHNICALLY opt out, in practice they won't be able to unless they want to foot the whole bill themselves.

Nope, I believe that part of the ruling is that the federal government can not withhold Medicare funds as a penalty.
 
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hahahahahaaaaaa... States can not be forced into enforcing this.....

Libs.. so stupid..

Really the only thing that was ruled on the other side for was that states didn't have to comply with medicaid expansions on threat of losing benefits they did not yet have.

If you have other info that isn't that I'd be ECSTATIC to see it.
 
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What do slaves have to do with the HC bill passing? :confused:

I brought up Ron Paul, American replied he lived in the wrong time where people didn't know where he was coming from - I concurred, the FFs ie slave owning Libertarians (by Ron Paul's own account) would know where he's coming from.
 
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We're not going to have another civil war. It's 2012, not the 1860s. Good luck getting Cons/Libs to actually go at it.
I agree with you. It won't be a civil war.

It will have to be a revolution. The Constitution has been overturned. There are no more limits for government. So the government must go. This is an overwhelmingly bad thing that the Democrats and the Supreme Court has done.
 
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you want to violently overthrow the freely-elected govt. of the USA, because folks who don't have health insurance will be charged $650 a year?

Yes.........
 
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I believe this ends the United States.

The supreme court has set the precedent that effectively means there are no more limits to the federal government's power. Private property rights were effectively ended today.....

the USA isn't as weak as you appear to think it is.

and no, this ruling has NOTHING to do with private-property rights.
 
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I hate to break this to you, but while states can TECHNICALLY opt out, in practice they won't be able to unless they want to foot the whole bill themselves.

again wrong.. but keep your streak alive... 0 for 1,000,000 is impressive in Obama land..
 
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I brought up Ron Paul, American replied he lived in the wrong time where people didn't know where he was coming from - I concurred, the FFs ie slave owning Libertarians (by Ron Paul's own account) would know where he's coming from.

Can you ever stay on target or is your hatred against libertarians so much that you can't control yourself?

Another example of why we cannot have an intelligent debate on this subject.
 
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Granted that I havent read through the entire strata of responses, has anyone referenced all those waivers? They are waivers against a tax yes? You cant apply a tax selectively or grant waivers selectively. Are those waivers constitutional? If they are not, what then? There are literally millions of people affected by those waivers as well.

Then we move onto the argument of taxing whatever the heck you want, from cell phones (you need them to call for emergency care, as an argument) to green policies (has to have a certain MPG) or lulz here but how about taxing for NOT having a gun for self protection. All of those could be applied from this ruling. This didnt stop the problems, its just the beginning of the mess we are going to have to sort out, this ruling was probably the largest since Wickard---which was somewhat derailed by this ruling in an odd way by sidestepping into the tax area and not ruling on the limitation of the commerce clause.

the waivers are given to corporations (shocking, I know). Individuals who have taxes levied against them do not have an ability to get a waiver
 
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